****The Official 2015-16 NBA Thread****

"Section126 wrote:

Dragic contract is easily moveable, and that is a TON for Dmac. Actually too much, but I juiced it up as a way to make sure it gets done. If they resign HW, they actually win the trade outright.

No, I mean in the NBA whoever gets the best player wins the trade 99/100 and none of those players you're talking about trading are even close to Dmac. Bosh would be the only player Id have any interest in if I was Sac.

Nuts!

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"finfansince72 wrote:

No, I mean in the NBA whoever gets the best player wins the trade 99/100 and none of those players you're talking about trading are even close to Dmac. Bosh would be the only player Id have any interest in if I was Sac.

Winslow has the potential to be better than Dmac.

You are never going to get a player of equal value when you trade a Shaquille Oneal, James Harden, Dmac, etc...

"Section126 wrote:

Winslow has the potential to be better than Dmac.

You are never going to get a player of equal value when you trade a Shaquille Oneal, James Harden, Dmac, etc...

Winslow will never be better than Dmac, I mean cmon. He might be a better guy for a team makeup because DMac is a head case, I'll give you that. But no one would trade DMac for Winslow's potential. I like Winslow by the way. And you're right, if you trade a franchise player you won't get the same in return 99.99999% of the time.

If you think that highly of Winslow then why would you trade him? If I thought he'd be better than DMack I'd trade to build around him not use him for a piece to build around Bosh and Wade for a 2 year window of opportunity.

"finfansince72 wrote:

Winslow will never be better than Dmac, I mean cmon. He might be a better guy for a team makeup because DMac is a head case, I'll give you that. But no one would trade DMac for Winslow's potential. I like Winslow by the way. And you're right, if you trade a franchise player you won't get the same in return 99.99999% of the time.

If you think that highly of Winslow then why would you trade him? If I thought he'd be better than DMack I'd trade to build around him not use him for a piece to build around Bosh and Wade for a 2 year window of opportunity.

Is Kawhi Leonard better than Cousins? Because that is Winslow's upside. Will he reach that ceiling? Maybe not (in fact, the odds probably say he won't). Maybe he'll never become anything more than a Corey Brewer. But to say he'll never be better is a little unfair, because his upside is pretty damn high.

The reason the Heat would trade him is the uncertainty of whether he hits his potential along with not wanting to wait for it. If he gets there, it's probably at least 2 more years away. When you have Wade at the beginning of the downside of his prime, and Bosh near the end of his, you don't really want to wait on that. Especially if you're Pat Riley and you might not be with the organization for the next wave that would be centered around Winslow.

Personally, I'd hate to trade Winslow. I'd only do it if you're getting a star who's still relatively young.

"finfansince72 wrote:

Winslow will never be better than Dmac, I mean cmon. He might be a better guy for a team makeup because DMac is a head case, I'll give you that. But no one would trade DMac for Winslow's potential. I like Winslow by the way. And you're right, if you trade a franchise player you won't get the same in return 99.99999% of the time.

If you think that highly of Winslow then why would you trade him? If I thought he'd be better than DMack I'd trade to build around him not use him for a piece to build around Bosh and Wade for a 2 year window of opportunity.

The players he is mentioned as comparables, Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler... are both better than Dmac.

The reason you would trade him is for a shot at a title within the Bosh/Wade window. Wade has about 2 years left of effectiveness left, Bosh has around 5. They have 2 left together at reasonable production. Take a shot. But only for the right player.

Woj Bomb: Rockets trying to trade D12 before deadline.

Fair Warning, Riley has always been enamored with him.

Ben McLemore (SG Sacramento)is getting trade interest as well. Heat should be all over that.

he has been slow to develop, but mostly due to a lack of freedom. He can flat out shoot, and in our system, we managed to make Gerald Green a decent defender.

Whiteside suspended one game due to euro flop

"Section126 wrote:

Ben McLemore (SG Sacramento)is getting trade interest as well. Heat should be all over that.

he has been slow to develop, but mostly due to a lack of freedom. He can flat out shoot, and in our system, we managed to make Gerald Green a decent defender.

I believe his agent is Rich Paul.

"Section126 wrote:

Woj Bomb: Rockets trying to trade D12 before deadline.

Fair Warning, Riley has always been enamored with him.

Yuck! Never been a fan of Howard. Lots of talent, but doesn't have it between the ears. I would be extremely upset if they gave up Winslow for him, and I'm not sure what else the Heat have that Houston would want that'd be enough for him.

"Section126 wrote:

Woj Bomb: Rockets trying to trade D12 before deadline.

Fair Warning, Riley has always been enamored with him.

Damn, that contract for his game right now is absurd. Every team thats had him over the last 3-4 years can't wait to move him. Team killer.

"finfansince72 wrote:

Damn, that contract for his game right now is absurd. Every team thats had him over the last 3-4 years can't wait to move him. Team killer.

Wow, I thought this was the last year on his deal, but he's got a player option for $23M next year. Maybe the asking price will be much cheaper than I thought. Not sure he's worth it with that deal, though. You'd be out of money this offseason. Would clear a ton the following year for Westbrook, though.

EDIT: Maybe not...

Howard, 30, plans to exercise an opt-out in his contract this summer to become an unrestricted free agent,

Supposedly Windhorst was on Cleveland radio and mentioned to watch the Heat as a trade partner for Dwight.

"PhiNomina wrote:

Supposedly Windhorst was on Cleveland radio and mentioned to watch the Heat as a trade partner for Dwight.

Ewing....Mourning......Shaq....I think you can figure out Pat likes big strong centers. However Dwight doesn't have a 1/10 of the toughness any of those guys displayed in their careers.

A Al Horford for Dwight Howard deal including sweeteners from Houston to Atlanta makes a ton of sense.

I would watch for that.

"Section126 wrote:

Woj Bomb: Rockets trying to trade D12 before deadline.

Fair Warning, Riley has always been enamored with him.

Horford for Howard would be a steal for the Rockets. If Atlanta's willing to trade Horford for Howard, would they be willing to do so for Whiteside? Obviously more would have to be added.

EDIT: Horford and Hardaway Jr. for Whiteside, Bird, and Deng works on the trade machine.

Please NOOO Dwight Howard. Dude is a cancer.

"Section126 wrote:

Woj Bomb: Rockets trying to trade D12 before deadline.

Fair Warning, Riley has always been enamored with him.

I can only wish him on the Heat or the Celtics. Dude is a whiny turd. Any knicks news?

Bosh has a strained calf and is replaced in the All-Star game by Al Horford.

Radio this morning was mentioning Howard for Whiteside/and...

"dgfred wrote:

Radio this morning was mentioning Howard for Whiteside/and...

depending on what that and... is, that could be horrible news. If it's TJ, or McBob, or Stokes, fine. If it's anyone of value that would be very, very stupid.

"sports24/7 wrote:

depending on what that and... is, that could be horrible news. If it's TJ, or McBob, or Stokes, fine. If it's anyone of value that would be very, very stupid.

I'm perfectly fine with Whiteside/Birdzilla for Howard.

"Desides wrote:

I'm perfectly fine with Whiteside/Birdzilla for Howard.

As would I. But if it's Winslow or Dragic involved in any way I wouldn't.