The Official Philbin Sucks/Doesn't Suck Thread
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Fin Dforum_veteranOPI know a lot of people complain that conversations like this infect every other thread. So here we can have all Philbin discussions without hurting other threads.
This is not meant to be a rant thread. It really is a legit attempt to have a place where all the arguments can be sent so posters can avoid or engage.
First up....the whole bed check complaint that many posters are upset about.
Cam Wake may have a different take......
“That’s the first time I’ve had a head coach do that,” said Wake, the team’s second-longest tenured player. “As a rookie, I never spoke to my head coach. Things like that, where you get that relationship with your coach, that allows you to carry that trust and bond into December.” And, he hopes, clear into January, when Miami ends its season at refurbished Sun Life Stadium against — who else? — the Patriots.
UndisputedNew MemberI really don't know if he sucks. I can't judge a coach without looking at the talent level of his players.
This year will determine it.
dolfan7171New MemberI'm not sure what is the hoopla all about regarding this, but I think was about relationship building between the players and coaches. I believe it's more so on trust and reliability. Chemistry is so important with the team and I think that was the intention of these different goals and/or ideas.
Win, Lose, or Tie, I will be a Dolphins Fan Until I Die:up:
CrunchTimeretired_adminIf this thread results in insults back and forth it will be closed .Keep it clean and respect the opinions of the other posters please.:yes:
Fin Dforum_veteran"CrunchTime wrote:
If this thread results in insults back and forth it will be closed .Keep it clean and respect the opinions of the other posters please.:yes:
Honestly, my goal was to give you guys a dump spot to keep other threads on topic.
PhinFan1968subscriber"Fin D wrote:
I know a lot of people complain that conversations like this infect every other thread. So here we can have all Philbin discussions without hurting other threads.
This is not meant to be a rant thread. It really is a legit attempt to have a place where all the arguments can be sent so posters can avoid or engage.
First up....the whole bed check complaint that many posters are upset about.
Cam Wake may have a different take......
I really enjoyed that article. Particularly the one part about the offense:
“The kind of spacing it creates for a quarterback, both horizontally and vertically on a field, it just makes it so easy, because defenses never have a chance to get their bearing,” said Louis Riddick, the former director of pro personnel for the Philadelphia Eagles and now an analyst for ESPN. “If they can get Lamar Miller and that offensive line going and make that offense two-dimensional, Ryan will tear it up.”
I like it because many of us have said the same thing, or at least thought it. The big "IF" at this point, being getting the offensive line going. If they can be at least average instead of "offensive," we're in for great things. This is my biggest knock on Philbin. When you've built your career and reputation on being an OL expert, yet your pro line fails for two full seasons, something just doesn't wash.
A big part of the failure last year was moving James over to LT after the Albert injury, when we already had Pouncey as a negative at guard (unfortunately...I was really hopeful he'd tear it up there), creating a total of at least 3 big holes. Up until that point, the line was OK. Was Philbin just trying to be too cute and it backfired or did he really believe that was the best lineup given the players on the roster? We can't have a repeat of that...if so, I say he sucks...sorry.
If the line can at least play average, and Philbin doesn't beat us with timeouts, and we can make good in-game and halftime adjustments, I say he doesn't suck. 2015 is crucial.
Brian Flores when asked about tanking: “Again, no we’re not (tanking). We’re going to try to win every game. I think that’s disrespectful to even say that.”
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"dolfan7171 wrote:
I'm not sure what is the hoopla all about regarding this, but I think was about relationship building between the players and coaches. I believe it's more so on trust and reliability. Chemistry is so important with the team and I think that was the intention of these different goals and/or ideas.
The hoopla for a lot of us is about decision-making. So many questionable calls.
And chemistry is something I'd talk to players about at the end of the season. Winning helps develop chemistry, even with an ass of a coach, while losing helps break it apart.
.. on a side note.. that article is really well written.
Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteranDoesn't suck, however has not been a good head coach.
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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Sceetoforum_veteranI think he is a good coach and I like that he's the Phin's coach. Just in Philbin's time alone, look at all of the changes that have occurred. They've switched GMs. There were certain Front Office changes and power struggles. We now have Tannenbaum. Philbin's first head coaching job and he has to start with a new and very raw rookie QB and together they both have done an admiral job. Tanne has been getting better every year and has already shown some impressive development and numbers, etc, etc, etc. He seems to get respect around the league. I mean, you guys still want Jeff Fisher? Has he shown to be better? I don't want to start a comparison, but just saying. It's never just one man. A lot of the time there are organizational issues, etc. I think with some consistency and stability, this team could do some great things with him at the helm, but in any organization, a lot of pieces have to fall the right way. The devil is in the details.
"Sceeto wrote:
I think he is a good coach and I like that he's the Phin's coach. Just in Philbin's time alone, look at all of the changes that have occurred. They've switched GMs. There were certain Front Office changes and power struggles. We now have Tannenbaum. Philbin's first head coaching job and he has to start with a new and very raw rookie QB and together they both have done an admiral job. Tanne has been getting better every year and has already shown some impressive development and numbers, etc, etc, etc. He seems to get respect around the league. I mean, you guys still want Jeff Fisher? Has he shown to be better? I don't want to start a comparison, but just saying. It's never just one man. A lot of the time there are organizational issues, etc. I think with some consistency and stability, this team could do some great things with him at the helm, but in any organization, a lot of pieces have to fall the right way. The devil is in the details.
The FO changes are I think in part due to not having a better coach that could mask deficiencies by the GM, so that might not be a feather in the cap for Philbin, though it looks like it is for the franchise.
You're definitely right about Fisher though..
rafaelforum_veteranI usually look at how the back-ups play in the preseason as an indicator of how good of a job the coaching staff is doing. I don't feel that our back-ups looked like they were well coached. By that measure, Philbin and company have not looked good. I have high hopes for us this season, but it will be largely about how well our star players overcome the coaching.
Tin Indianforum_veteranWell. The jury is out on this one.
Good luck with this one too FinD.
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padre31luxury_boxFor me, this is Philbin's yr to show what he can do, it is "his" roster, "his" Qb and "his' Rb going into a contract yr, "his" wr and te corps as well
I LOVE the fact he parted company with Sturgis, to me he was a threat to the season, we also kept guys who excel at ST mostly, like Paysinger and Bowman. The D is as loaded as I've seen it since the Wanny/JJ era, our Dline depth is amazing.
First 6 games heavily favor the Dolphins as well
All that means, Philbin is without excuse this yr.
vt_dolfansubscriberComplaining about Philbin is so....2014...
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Kud_IIforum_veteranWell my last inclination was he absolutely does suck, I wanted him fired but I didn't get what I want. So he has another season to dig himself out of the hole.
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CashInFistforum_veteran"LBsFinest wrote:
I think it's safe to say he sucks
Lol
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RGFsubscriber"LBsFinest wrote:
I think it's safe to say he sucks
Was safe to say that long time ago.
"MonstBlitz wrote:
Guys, stop pointing your hate boners at Fin D.
Stop! The Philbin hate is absurd!
MikeHonchosubscriber"MonstBlitz wrote:
Guys, stop pointing your hate boners at Fin D.
So just regular ones? Then this becomes just another Tuesday.
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Fin Dforum_veteran"MonstBlitz wrote:
Guys, stop pointing your hate boners at Fin D.
I really wish that those meditation lessons had stuck with you. Then maybe you wouldn't be the forum ruining cry baby you are now. Inner peace....go get some.
MonstBlitzforum_veteran"Fin D wrote:
I really wish that those meditation lessons had stuck with you. Then maybe you wouldn't be the forum ruining cry baby you are now. Inner peace....go get some.
What is this, the 10th time you've insulted me personally today? While you cry in another thread about being "attacked?" Calling you on your hypocrisy and watching you pull hammies with your spin and circular arguments gives me all the inner peace I need. :up: :up: :up:
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