Coaches sometimes outthink themselves..athlete against athlete..patriots put Talib on Graham no matter where he lined up, they didn't outthink themselves, just went with common sense.

 

I agree with the theory. Might go with Jones or Clemons instead. Gotta stop him one way or another.

Definitely need someone who can jam him in the first five and recover after missing.

And they all need to tackle better. The new rules make wrapping up cool again.

 

He's being paid like an elite safety, He's got the size of Talib, lil bigger I think, but has some coverage skills..lets see if he can be multiple for all that money..

Guess we'd have to start jimmy in this case huh?

 

At this point I'm in the give Dion Jordan a starting spot thread. I just want to see him on the field at all times. Dude is a playmaker!

 

I agree. Let him knock gronk around and have a party.

 

Best players on the field is the name of the game right...screw the mistakes, just get the kid in the field...

I understand if there is a pitch count, but that would be the only reason..keeping that kind of talent on the bench is idiotic..

 

Jordan has experience dropping in coverage, playing in space, etc. I'd do it. Where ever Gronk lines up, Jordan is on him. Chuck him at the line, no free releases. Jordan is fast enough, and agile enough to mirror him all over the field. Physically capable of contesting any pass within Gronk's reach.

 

Also we've seen plenty this year, that Brady without Gronk and this years receiving corp is average. We have to generate pressure with our defensive front and take gronkowski out of the game, that severely limits Brady and the patriots offense.

 

Yes lets put a promising pass rusher out in coverage against one of the most physical TE in the league. Might as well throw him at safety.

 

Rookie learning DE position suddenly given job of covering Elite NFL TE. Hmmmmmmm.

 

I'd put Jordan on Brady. As in on top of him. You all know how much Tom likes it when he is being hurried, hit and sacked.

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Because Jordan probably won't play more than 25 snaps...

 

Defending Gronk

Why can't the Dolphins put Dion Jordan on Gronkowski full time on Sunday? The Patriots supposedly didn't let Jimmy Graham get a clean release and held him in check, where Miami did let him get off the line cleanly and got torched.

Those of you knowledgeable of the game: How hard is it to play man on a TE? And if it can be done, why not use someone like Jordan who is big enough to tie Gronk up?

 

The Pats did it with a CB (Talib) because Graham isn't hardly ever blocks and the Saints aren't a very good running team. They treated Graham like a WR, which is pretty much what he is, imo. Gronk on the other hand is a real force as a run blocker, so using a CB on him is harder to get away with all game - they'll run it down our throats with that smaller personnel. We'll likely go smaller on passing downs of course, but we can't just mark him with a CB all game like the Pats did with Graham.

Jelani Jenkins is going to have to step up, imo. They don't even use Jordan much as it is, so I don't think they'll lean on him to cover the best TE in the game all day.

 

I have this feeling that the will try to do that this game :(

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I'd rather have Jordan rushing Brady. He's been a good pass-rusher so far (we need him there), and pressuring/hitting Brady is more important than coverage against the Pats. Has Jordan manned up any TEs this year?

 

Because he doesn't have the technical skills in coverage.

 

This is an interesting perspective because I think putting Dion Jordan on Rob Gronkowski is a classic case of out-thinking yourself.

You cannot compare it to Aqib Talib versus Jimmy Graham. The rationales are completely different. The Patriots considered Jimmy Graham to be the Saints' best pass catching threat. So what did they do? They put their most accomplished cover man on him, regardless of size disparity. The equivalent in this case is NOT putting Dion Jordan on Gronkowski. It would be putting Brent Grimes on Gronkowski.

 

So sad. So true.

 

I personally think Rob Gronkowski would have a career day if the Dolphins counted on Dion Jordan to plaster him in man coverage all day. And Rob Gronkowski has had quite a career, so a career day for him might break the 200 yard mark with 3 touchdowns.

 

I think if Dion Jordan is involved in covering Gronkowski, it would be limited to keeping him from getting a clean release when he is positioned in-line. Either jam him directly or keep Jordan(and other ends) aligned in a way that funnels his release.

I think ultimately it's got to be a defensive back covering him.

 

Dion Jordan would get destroyed by Gronkowski.

 

We tried that with Graham, no?

 

Not successfully, no. The coaches did not give Brent Grimes the needed flexibility to move around the field and follow Graham. For example on the touchdown pass Graham caught over Jamar Taylor, the Dolphins actually had Grimes move to the side of the field where the Saints had two receivers, but I believe Grimes had to cover the inside guy while Taylor had to cover Graham.

 

Ok. Against Gronk, I imagine a scenario similar to this:

 

Exactly this.

As an aside, I am in the camp of utilizing Jordan in far more plays.

 

Gronkowski is too good for Dion to have him cover him, Just let Dion rush the passer, but i guess
they are still bringing him along slowly, come on already it is game 7.

 

JT had some of his greatest moments against Brady.

Brady was always vigilant as to where JT was .You could say he was in his head.

Jordan is a similar kind of player.Its time for Jordan to get in Bradys head now.:yes:

 

No to Jordan covering Gronk. Let Jordan stop Gronkowski getting the ball in the first place by doing his pass defense from the DE rushing position. Remember the 1st thing Mike Mayock said when the Phins pick was announced in the Draft. He said the Dolphins Jordan pick was all about Brady. Maybe that was a crystal ball moment. Jordan might have his best day against the Pats. His playing time has to increase though. Can't do it from the sidelines.

 

They keep getting props for that, but wasnt Talib injured and only played the first half?

 

That's correct.

 

Yes. We cracked the code. Just man up and rough up the tight ends. Case solved. The tight end will die starting this weekend, and we will go back to having 280 pound blocking tight ends. Why didnt we or the other 31 nfl coaches think of that!??!?

 

I think doing both is what is should be about, let him do both, he can bump a tight end a play him man on man sometimes..he did all the time in college, and did it very well..it's not about thinking about playing zone, it's just about using your ability to matchup at times.

 

He had 3 pass rush reps at left end and 13 pass rush reps at right end. Don't know the splits during his 8 run plays.

 

Not sure..seen him a lot though doing exactly what were suggesting Jordan or Jones doing...I understand Talib has excellent cover skills, I also understand that the idea is far fetched, my point is get the guy on the field and have him do it all, there no reason he can't cover Gronkowski..I've seen him in space cover guys well half his size.