Standing 6'4", Tannehill looked very small in the pocket. The way he sets up to throw....he just looks small out there. The result was several I'll timed tipped passes and hurries. Nor sure they can correc t that, but it needs to be fixed.
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Well, I think you're overreacting a bit. The Texans have a great defense and they had a great game plan. The problems will be fixed and they'll work on it this week.
I would like to see more roll-outs though. Take advantage of Tannehill's athleticism and accuracy on the move.SuperMarksBros. likes this. -
He's not overreacting. This problem has followed Tannehill through college, preseason and now regular season. We could wait til after his career ends to begin to think its a concern, I guess.
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It was his first career game. All of this discussion is overreaction. He'll learn to do things to prevent that from happening constantly and the offensive line will learn to get the defender's hands down.
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Give Philbin a chance to correct it. Even if you are right about it being a problem for Tannehill during his college career up til now it will be fixed. i saw the same thing in Pre-Season and i am a little concerned it wasn't already addressed. Have you read Paul 13's thread yet? Some of it can be fixed by the O-line, some of it can be fixed by Tannehill changing his throwing lane. And i add to that, some of it is juat damn good plays by the defense.Bpk likes this.
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Tannehill had 17 balls batted down last year in college. It's a problem that's plagued him for a while. Henne had the same issue and never got over it.
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yeah but has Tannehill ever had a coach like Philbin that pays close attention to detail? give Philbin time to fix it!
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3% of his passes (531 attempts) doesn't seem like a lot of batted balls. That'd be one pass out of the 36 he threw today, which is hardly anything in the grand scheme of things IMO. The problem is he had like 11% of his passes batted today, and half of them popped like straight up in the air which rarely happens in the games I have watched in my life. Usually the tip/deflection doesn't create that easy of a play.
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The fact that PA and rollouts weren't used seems odd to me...like we didn't do it on purpose. Seeing what tannehill can or cannot do? Saving it for the jets in week 3? Idk. Seems odd though.
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unless they plan on changing how we pass block don't see this getting fixed. Also I think he holds the ball to low while going into his progression so its obvious when hes going to throw because he has to bring the ball up longer distance.
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Zach Taylor is the QB coach and Sherman's son in law. Just saying.
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i would like to see miami use tannehill the same way pittsburgh uses big ben. roll him out let him get outside the pocket some and make plays. the guy is very athletic let him use it sometimes especially if our oline cant block for **** and cant get the hands of the dline down
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That is what I noticed today. Every one of his tipped passes shot STRAIGHT UP in the air and just floated into a Texan players waiting arms. We might see it once in a season but we saw it too much today.
I think Sherman did a dreadful job dealing with the issue today. The thing is he KNOWS it's an issue. Roll the kid out, use his athleticism.
I don't know to be honest. We need three seasons to judge the kid, not one week against a very good team.shouright likes this. -
No brainer that Sherman should have put his QB on the move today but I understand keeping him in the pocket for teaching purposes.
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The Texans stated after the game that they expected a lot of quick drops and short passes, so they intentionally crowded the interior passing lanes to bat down passes. It worked.
This wasn't purely and sorely a Ryan Tannehill problem. It was first an offensive line problem, since they couldn't keep the defensive line's arms down despite knowing the ball would be coming out over the top very quickly. It was secondly a receiver problem, because when Tannehill compensated by throwing high, the receivers couldn't come down with the catch. Then I blame Tannehill last, because he needs to better progress through reads and use his eyes to fool the defense. That'll come in time, possibly sooner than we think given Tannehill's seemingly accelerated learning curve. -
Hell I blame an offensive coaching group that didn't stick to what was working.
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You point out the problem with rolling Tannehill out... Our OT's weren't blocking that well at all. Their DEs were setting the edge, so Tannehill couldn't roll out.
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That's what was missing from this game. As well as the run game was working, there should've been more play-action roll outs where Tannehill had the option to run the ball as well. We did absolutely nothing with this guy's running ability all game. No quarterback draws, few designed roll outs, nothing.
Sherman did a poor job of taking what was working in this game (the run) and using it to help the performance of his rookie QB IMO.
One of the things that's going to have to come from this game IMO is Philbin's sitting down with Sherman, taking a look at the tape, and getting Sherman to think differently about what he's doing with Tannehill during games. I have the feeling Philbin is intelligent enough to see that, whereas I question that about Sherman. -
Agreed. Tanny had more passes batted down last year than 5'10" Russell Wilson. This must be addressed.
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Deeper drops, more pump fakes, OL get into sync with his rhythm as well.
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It was actually 2 plays before that when there was another bad snap. The latter one that hit Tannehill in the chest was the final straw. Don't know who was off there, Ryan or the rest of the offense.
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No, not really.
Yes there was a lot more seasoned QB's who threw tons of int's yesterday....Vick, Stafford, etc. But their were a result of mis-reads, great plays down field, or throwing into traffic. Ryan's issues yesterday were none of that (unless you are talking about the int where Notanycatches didn't even reach out for the ball allowing the DB to step in for the int). His issues were with the line get their hands up and tipping those passes. They were able to pick up easily what he was doing and preyed on it.
But to my point that I was making from the start....he didn't look like a 6'4" QB back there. His isn't tall in the pocket at all, and it is something I didn't notice one bit during the preseason. His release point seemed very low, along with his stature. The passes that were getting batted down and tipped weren't huge jumps for them to get to. It was simply stick a paw out and get it. Yes, rolling him out and deep drops would maybe help that. But a lot of that is how he is set up in the pocket to throw and staring down his receivers.
Like it was said by others...some of it can be corrected by play calling and coaching. Some of it has to be on him. A lot of this season is going, hell of it is going, to be about him and how he grows into this position. It is going to be a loooooong season. What we need to see is growth and development. Hopefully we will see it. Yesterday was about as rough of a start as we could hope for, especially when the offense only put up 3 points. -
Lets not forget that raping that Martin took at the hands of Watts. It was like bringing a butter knife to a gun fight.
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Short of cut blocking, there isn't much an OL can do to keep the DL's hands down. They can if the DL is just keeping their hands up all the time, but when they're just timing a three step drop, the OL can't stop it. I also don't agree with Fouts that it has to do with RT staring at the WR. That could matter on deeper drops but on a three step drop there simply isn't much stare time. IMO there are two things that can correct the issue. One is on the coaching staff to vary the drops more. It feels like our offense is a little too quick pass oriented and therefore predictable. The other is on RT to adapt by using his passing lanes. I don't agree that he looked small in the pocket. I would say it's the opposite. He's gotten by not using the passing lanes b/c he's tall and has a high enough delivery that he's always just thrown the ball over the D-line. Even though he had a relatively higher percentage of passes batted down in college than other QBs, it was still a small percentage. It was something that happened maybe once per game. Marino faced a similar thing after his first season. Defense couldn't sack him so they went to bat the ball down strategy. The coaches all said the same OL help keep the DL's hands down rhetoric (IMO it's to deflect blame off the QB), but what worked for Dan was simply learning to use his passing lanes.