Thursday afternoon notes on the Dolphins

NFL.com's Pat Kirwan, a former NFL scout, released his second mock draft and he's got the Dolphins picking Penn State defensive lineman Jared Odrick.

ESPN draftniks Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both have the Dolphins picking Tennessee defensive tackle/nose tackle Dan Williams.

Sounding more and more like I will skip out on watching the draft this year as I don't want to break whatever is in my reach at the moment of Miami's pick, which is likely to be my cell phone or laptop.

In total, the Dolphins have made seven moves to assemble their current defensive line, drafting Phillip Merling, Kendall Lankford and Lionel Dotson, trading their sixth-round picks in 2008 and 2009 to Dallas for Jason Ferguson and Dallas' 2008 sixth-rounder, signing Randy Starks as a free agent, trading a seventh-rounder for Tony McDaniel, and most recently, re-signing Ferguson as a unrestricted free agent.

And how many to address the receiver position?

Guess rebuilding is a slow slog, folks.

It'll be even slower if we fail to make another big move or two before the draft only to waste the 12th pick by reaching on an NT when we already have a young, developing player on the roster.

He was asked what he'd say if Bill Parcells asked him whether or not to go after enigmatic Denver wide receiver Brandon Marshall, a restricted free agent.

"Yes," Thomas said emphatically. "Do it now before anybody else changes their mind."

I'd love to have Zach Thomas in our front office even if it's just for a day to ensure that move gets done. Unfortunately, Brandon Marshall doesn't play defense, though. :rolleyes:

I am very curious with all of this information who is Miami really planning on taking with the first pick.

"High Definition wrote:

Sounding more and more like I will skip out on watching the draft this year as I don't want to break whatever is in my reach at the moment of Miami's pick, which is likely to be my cell phone or laptop.

And how many to address the receiver position?

It'll be even slower if we fail to make another big move or two before the draft only to waste the 12th pick by reaching on an NT when we already have a young, developing player on the roster.

I'd love to have Zach Thomas in our front office even if it's just for a day to ensure that move gets done. Unfortunately, Brandon Marshall doesn't play defense, though. :rolleyes:

At least 5.

Signed Wilford.
Extended Cam.
Signed Bess as UDFA.
Drafted Turner.
Drafted Hartline.

i understand building from the inside out.....i really do. but there comes a time...we must realize its 2010. its not 1986. we gotta get a WR. we HAVE to.

"SICK wrote:

i understand building from the inside out.....i really do. but there comes a time...we must realize its 2010. its not 1986. we gotta get a WR. we HAVE to.

nah, we just need a TE

"Stitches wrote:

At least 5.

Signed Wilford.
Extended Cam.
Signed Bess as UDFA.
Drafted Turner.
Drafted Hartline.

all of which were considered "reaches" or under the radar type stuff.......instead of going after a big name, prototype #1 wr

To me, most of that article is :words:

Save for Zach Thomas wishing to be on the Staff, imho Sparano and co should jump at the chance to have a "Film study 101' class with Zach showng the newbies and young Vets "how" to study film, what to look for, and how to practice to exploit what they have learned.

Imho, Zach Thomas would be a Maestro at teaching the youngin's "this is how it is done".

"adamprez2003 wrote:

nah, we just need a TE

bull**** bro. mike linebackers are running 4.5's and 4.6's nowadays.....a TE and a bunch of slot/#2 WRs doesnt stop defenses from putting 9 in the box

"Stitches wrote:

At least 5.

Signed Wilford.
Extended Cam.
Signed Bess as UDFA.
Drafted Turner.
Drafted Hartline.

That's like "addressing" your wardrobe at WalMart

I value any opinion Zach Thomas expresses, he has more NFL knowledge in his little pinky than most gurus on ESPN or NFLN do IMO.

"PhinsRock wrote:

I value any opinion Zach Thomas expresses, he has more NFL knowledge in his little pinky than most gurus on ESPN or NFLN do IMO.

I wouldn't say nfln the players on that show are first ballot HOF

"#1dolphinsfan wrote:

I wouldn't say nfln the players on that show are first ballot HOF

there are also some retards like jamie dukes and deon sanders

"SICK wrote:

all of which were considered "reaches" or under the radar type stuff.......instead of going after a big name, prototype #1 wr

All the DL except Merling were under the radar type moves.

"jetssuck wrote:

That's like "addressing" your wardrobe at WalMart

Ok. Doesn't mean it hasn't been attempted to be addressed though.

I want a WR as much as the next guy (more in some cases), but I'm not going to be bitching about "the lack of addressing" the WR position until at least after the draft. We've had tons of holes, a total lack of talent across the board, and a total lack of depth across the board a few years ago. We're a better team now than before, and sometimes you can't address everything even if you want to.

"jetssuck wrote:

That's like "addressing" your wardrobe at WalMart

Davone Bess and Brian Hartline aren't good receivers?

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Davone Bess and Brian Hartline aren't good receivers?

they are udfa and late round picks.....we need a #1

I understand the need for a #1 receiver in today's NFL. I really do.

But if we don't get our D fixed from not being able to put pressure on other team's QB's IMO it won't matter if we can hang 21 they'll just hang 28, so on and so forth. I'm a defensive minded football guy, and Chris I know playing LBer you really gotta be in there somewhere :lol:.. so I know saying a #1 is important to you.. I just think if we don't stop them it won't matter how much we put up. How bout we get both :yes:

"SICK wrote:

they are udfa and late round picks.....we need a #1

I'm not disagreeing with you, but it seems like everyone thinks our receivers are trash. Bess and Hartline may not be superstars but they are solid receivers who both made multiple big/clutch plays last season.

"Stitches wrote:

At least 5.

Signed Wilford.
Extended Cam.
Signed Bess as UDFA.
Drafted Turner.
Drafted Hartline.

You count the extension of a #2/3 at best WR, the signing of an undrafted free agent, & spending third and fourth round picks as an attempted fix for the need of a true #1?

Wilford is the only honest attempt. They spent a lot of money on him.

EDIT: I am not talking bad about any of the above players. I'm looking at what was sacrificed TO ACQUIRE these players, which is practically nothing aside from the biggest failure as noted above.

"Stitches wrote:

Ok. Doesn't mean it hasn't been attempted to be addressed though.

I want a WR as much as the next guy (more in some cases), but I'm not going to be bitching about "the lack of addressing" the WR position until at least after the draft. We've had tons of holes, a total lack of talent across the board, and a total lack of depth across the board a few years ago. We're a better team now than before, and sometimes you can't address everything even if you want to.

This I will agree with you on, although there is some bitching on my part for the sole OPINION that I do not believe we will address the receiver position in the draft for pure lust over defensive prospects by this regime. I would be absolutely stunned (in a good way) if Miami selects a receiver in the first round, and mildly surprised if we select one at #43. Then again, unless Bey Bey, Tate, or Benn slide to #43 I wouldn't really want one. We'd be doomed at that point.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with you, but it seems like everyone thinks our receivers are trash. Bess and Hartline may not be superstars but they are solid receivers who both made multiple big/clutch plays last season.

agreed bro, i love those guys. but i do not see us hoisting a lombardi with only them as our wrs. and that is the only thing i want. no more moral victories

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with you, but it seems like everyone thinks our receivers are trash. Bess and Hartline may not be superstars but they are solid receivers who both made multiple big/clutch plays last season.

Noones saying they're trash, Bess is awesome in the slot and Hartline is reliable but neither of these guys have the talent to consistently spread the field. Just having that 1 guy that can spread the field and have coverages roll his way makes every aspect of your offense better. Opens up your run game, gives your QB more time (less blitzing), gets your other recievers open, gives you a solid target to throw the ol fade in the endzone...theres so many aspects that will be better just by adding 1 player to the offense that it's ridiculous not to address it.

The way i see it is on our defense we need to lose channing crowder because he is just a horrible tackler and not a good defender. Our secondary is solid other than the safety spot and our d-line is young and looked promising at times. At WR, all of our receivers are #2 or #3 type receivers. Why dont we push hard for atogwe or sharper at safety and give up the first rounder for brandon marshall? To me that seems like it would be a great move and pick up a solid linebacker in the 2nd round because i bet there will be better players available than channing crowder

"Stitches wrote:

Ok. Doesn't mean it hasn't been attempted to be addressed though.

I want a WR as much as the next guy (more in some cases), but I'm not going to be bitching about "the lack of addressing" the WR position until at least after the draft. We've had tons of holes, a total lack of talent across the board, and a total lack of depth across the board a few years ago. We're a better team now than before, and sometimes you can't address everything even if you want to.

Well it's actually those "attempts" that have left me wanting......

While Hartline is a nice WR, following up the Wilford signing the next season by using 2 mid round picks on guys that will never be number one's, wasn't the best plan they could have come up with. We had a glaring need for offensive play makers and out of a 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks, we have a guy nobody really knows what he even looks like and a guy that looks like one of the worst picks since Eddie Moore. And...Hartline.

It's not some much a lack of effort as it is just a poor job of filling the need.

There's a reason we find ourselves in this position..

"High Definition wrote:

You count the extension of a #2/3 at best WR, the signing of an undrafted free agent, & spending third and fourth round picks as an attempted fix for the need of a true #1?

Wilford is the only honest attempt. They spent a lot of money on him.

EDIT: I am not talking bad about any of the above players. I'm looking at what was sacrificed TO ACQUIRE these players, which is practically nothing aside from the biggest failure as noted above.

This I will agree with you on, although there is some bitching on my part for the sole OPINION that I do not believe we will address the receiver position in the draft for pure lust over defensive prospects by this regime. I would be absolutely stunned (in a good way) if Miami selects a receiver in the first round, and mildly surprised if we select one at #43. Then again, unless Bey Bey, Tate, or Benn slide to #43 I wouldn't really want one. We'd be doomed at that point.

When did I imply that? You never qualified your question, you said:

And how many to address the receiver position?

BeBe, Tate, Dez, and Benn would be my top 4 favs as well. I think LaFell has the potential to contribute right away and I personally like Price, Gettis, and Easley as guys in varying rounds (3 for Price, and 5 for the other 2) as guys who have the tools to develop.

Overall I agree it is pretty weak, but just because we miss out on the top 4 doesn't mean I think we should necessarily avoid the position.