it has been ugly

 

Wow now thats bad!

 

Offensively, it was truly a dreadful season.

What I find particularly damning is the idea of this regime wasting 2 years trying to develop a guy that had huge deficiencies in his game, which ultimately he was unable to overcome.

For an organization that preaches accountability, someone has to take the fall for that decision.

Frankly if this front office didn't have an '08 divisional title in their back pocket (due, in no small part, to getting lucky with Chad Pennington), then Ross doesn't have a very difficult decision on his hands this Black Monday.

 

Thanks for illustrating exactly why Sparano should be retained. He managed to win 7 games with these lame lazy ****ing players who couldn't even show up and give a half assed effort

 

Can we hire Denver's O coordinator? That team was terrible but put up mega pts. LOL

 

Just so we're clear, are you advocating for Ireland to be shown the door?

Again, if they're going to preach about being an organization based on accountability, then someone has to be responsible for the lack of offensive production this season -- and it can't be only Henning because OCs typically aren't in the talent acquisition business.

 

But what about yards? According to some people here YARDS are a better measuring stick than points. :)

(FTR, I do not feel that way and I think our offense was HORRIBLE!)

 

as bad as the offense was thats how good our defense was. it really depends on how you want to view the season. we have the best defense here we've had since the wannstedt days and more importantly its young, very young. now the question becomes can we fix the offense? QB is a huge question mark but we can easily fix the rest and if we do that we can try to recreate the 2000 Ravens run. And if we somehow get lucky and we find a QB then the sky is the limit

 

I'm not going to drink the kool-aid for our defense just yet.

Our defense finished the season ranked 14th.

 

It bugs me that every year even the worst teams make a push or at least get better. Look at the Rams. They were once the laughing stock of the league. Even the Lions play hard. They have won the last 4 games i heard. And the chiefs and seahawks made the playoffs...............but the fins................year after dreadful yeaar stay the same or get worse!!

 

14th? even if some stat has us as 14th it doesnt matter. we have serious talent on the defensive side. one of the best 3-4 defensive lines in the NFL, two studs at LB, another rookie LB who played well his first season, a top five shutdown CB, and solid depth throughout the secondary. And they are all young. Sparano and Ireland get an A+ for building that defense.

 

Is it me or did NE's D look 10x better than our D on Sunday? Keep in mind they were resting people and we were not.

 

Are you forgetting that 1-15 team also LOST 6 games by 3 pts or less. We could have been as good as 7-9 that year, and Cam Cameron would most likely have been kept one more year.

 

and in a possible game saver for their coach, they laid down yesterday and had 31 put on them yesterday by a REAL offense, with a REAL QB, and a REAL ownership that is dedicated to winning.

I really loathe the Patriots, but I admire them too.

 

"Some stats"? lol.... Not just some stat. They were ranked 14th in PPG.

Unless, of course, you would rather go the YPG route. Afterall, the team with the most yards wins, right?

Am I right about that? Or is it the defense that gives up the least amount of yards is the best?

 

like i said its not about stats its about personnell. you have a defensive line with depth, you have two stud linebakcers and possibly a 3rd, you have shut down corner and solid play in the rest of the secondary and you have good depth on the dl and in the secondary. they were also top 5 prior to yesterday's game. personnell wuse we are a top five defense and if you dont think so tell me who's better and dont use stats

 

Since week 8 the Patriots defense has given up about 17 PPG on average. That's top 5 right there. (The Steelers are ranked #1 and give up 15 PPG) Currently they are ranked 8th, which is 6 spots higher than the Dolphins defense.

Make no mistake about it, the Patriots defense is playing like the Patriots defenses of their Super Bowl winning seasons. I hate to admit that, but it's the truth.

 

Thanks Marine, I feel better, I thought their D was mostly Swiss Cheese when Cleveland ran all over them, I guess that was a fluke? Bleh, I have NE envy.

 

You're just 100% wrong here.

Personell? I could give 2 ****s if we had Pee-Wee Herman playing defense with jim carey coaching. If they play/coach well enough to not give up points...keep them.

You're post is too funny! The FACTS are...the Miami Dolphins gave up more points than 13 other NFL teams. Not bad, but not great or elite. Average. Middle of the pack.

 

Which is a huge improvement over 2nd to last and one of the worst in Dolphin history.

 

all of that is due to the last two games when the playoffs were over and we had nothing to play for. we gave up 72 points in those meaningless games. go back to week 15 and we are top five in scoring defense. so when the games actually matter we are a top 5 defense. when the games are nothing more than exhibition games we are middle of the road

 

All defense have bad games. The current Pats defense has grown up quickly this season. They are young, but they are coached to be in the right position. When ANY defense, regardless of "personel", is in the right position they will more often than not be a very good squad.

I hate BB. I despise the Patriots. However, what they have is GREAT coaching. This organization could win a SB with the Dolphins current "personel". My proof?

Look at the "personel" they had on their 2001, 2002 and 2004 SB winning teams.

 

Spin it all you want. If you only count the second Jests game our defense would be ranked #1. lol
Again, you can't cherry pick stats.

I haven't worked the numbers, but I think before the Lions game we were ranked 8th in the league.

 

well if you think the the week 17 game was as important as the week 12 game we just disagree

 

It's a 16 game schedule. Of course once you're eliminated from the playoffs the games become less important. Winning never takes a back seat to losing though. If you think guys who play in the NFL have a habit of quitting and could care less about winning or losing you haven't played any competative sports in your life. The type of personality needed to be successful in the NFL is one where you have pride and hate to lose...ever. If you think these guys quit, then maybe we need to look at getting some different "personel".

 

in theory you are right but in reality players tank it. so you want to spend more draft picks on defense? who other than crowder do you want to replace

 

Now you're putting words into my mouth. I think this defense has improved a lot. However, I'm not going to crown them "great" until they rank better than 14th in PPG allowed. I think we need another CB and another ILB. I HOPE Odrick isn't a medical bust. Even if we stayed exactly the same I do think they improve next season even more. I'm just not going to get too excited over the 14th ranked defense.

 

I might have to agree here. One thing BB and his coaches do is "teach" the players on where they should be all year. They "teach" all the time. What our coaches do is put in a game plan to stop the run. Then tell the players to go do it. BB and his coaches teach their players where to be so they can do it. And it never stops. That's why they can trade a player like Moss away for two picks and have the next guy step right in. He has been taught well.

 

How many draft picks would we have to give up to bring BB to Miami? LOL

I think the 2004 team was excellent, Bill or no Bill. With Dillon, Brady, Branch and Givens.

 

When Cam Cameron was the coach for one year. Expectations for the team were not that high going into the season. They were not considered a playoff caliber team and Cameron was thought to be starting a new rebuilding process with the Dolphins. No on expected the Dolphins to go 1-15 that year. But the fact is. As bad as that 1-15 season was for fans. I think this past season was far worse. These Dolphins were not suppose to be a losing team. The owner predicted before the season that the Dolphins would be in the Super Bowl. While most fans thought this prediction was a bit over the top. The reality is that most fans thought this team after three years under Parcells leadership was at least ready to take a giant step forward. Instead the team took two giant steps backward. So for me. This team and this season was much more disappointing than the team that went 1-15. The fact that this team is still in need of so many upgrades throughout the roster. Just shows how inept Parcells was in his role with the Dolphins.

 

i agree about ILB though I'm not sure Sean Smith and Nolan Carroll might not be making huge leaps next year the way Chris Clemons did this year. I really like Carroll's potential

 

i dont think they took two steps back. i think the frustration is they just stayed where they were last year record wise. our defense improved in leaps and bounds but our offense regresssed under henne and a gutted oline

 

Sorry, but I disagree. Earlier in the season. I might have agreed with your assessment of the team. But in the last three home games. They lost to the Browns, Bills and Lions. Yesterday they went up to New England and played like a bad high school team. So to me. This team is not as good as the 7-9 team of last year. While the records may reflect that the teams this season and last season are about equal.
I think the team last year would have won at least two of the three home games this team lost at home in their last three home games. The defense did improve over last season. But in the games since the win over the Jets. Even the defense appears to be taking a step backward. Obviously the biggest step back for the team was on the offensive side of the ball. Henne regressed as the season went along. The offensive line was terrible and the running backs were slow and ineffective. So this was obviously one of the giant steps back. My other giant step back was the play of special teams. The Dolphins special teams were absolutely terrible this season. They gave up five touchdowns and consistently gave up big returns on punts and kickoffs. Yet the Dolphins scored no touchdowns on special teams and the return yardage on kickoffs and punts were among the lowest in the entire league. Dan Carpenter also appears to regress as the season went along. He ended it by missing 5 of his last 6 field goal attempts. While the defense might have improved over last year. Everywhere else on the team, including the coaching, suffered a severe drop from last years performance. Hence, two giant steps backward.