Yeah I immediately said "You cant use your hands like that..." on the Hoskins highlight and just threw the play out in my mind. Thanks for the video.....I agree on Tripp and Lynch from that tape.

 

After watching some Tripp highlights. I didn't see anything that knocked me out of my chair. He is usually where he is supposed to be, whiffs on a lot of 1 on 1 tackles, is a good follow up defender after someone makes a hit. He is no doubt a tough, aggressive football player though, just needs some work IMO.

Thanks for the video.

 

I agree that the Matt Hazel pick was a good one. He and Tripp were the picks with the most value IMO.

 

Tripp looks slow as hell in those videos. Severe downer.

 

Honestly the only one of those videos that make the acquisition questionable (as far as a UDFA can be questionable that is)...is Tripp. I also wasn't particularly impressed watching him during games either. I dunno watching him play looks like...chaos. It seems like his instincts are on a three quarters of a second tape delay and he has to run around like a headless chicken to fix that delay.

Maybe I have to watch him more.

 

Tripp was drafted though.

 

I got that impression from watching Tripp as well but keep hearing how knowledgeable people are very high on him... haven't seen exactly what they see in him yet.

 

I really like Tyler Larson, he is "my" longshot to make the roster

 

Larsen.

 

I get the feeling that at least half of your 52 thousand posts is of you correcting the spelling of a player's name... :shifty:

 

If you like feel free to scroll back through all past threads and count them. :)

 

Thank you very much for putting that together. Very nice. Larson was the only one that seemed to do much. Pretty disappointing actually.

 

Thanks for putting that together !

Lynch was the opposite of expected. Fell down on the one route, but had very good separation on the others. His blocks were either whiffs or blatant holding though.

Hazel looks like he has an NFL ready body on him and has all the tools. Can't wait to see him with the pads on!

Paul, I thought the same thing about Aiken as you did, when I saw other clips. The end game might be to convert him to safety. He has the size and physicality.

 

That's Stitches. Please get to know your posters. :wink2:

And yes, 3/4 of mine are correcting the corrections or some bull**** like that.

 

Larsen has talent. He did very well in those drills, especially when you consider that those drills tend to favor the defender.

Lynch, also has some tools to work with. He's anxious in some of those drills, causing him to reach more than he should. He ducks his head and off the defender goes. I like how he works his routes though, I think that Egnew's place could be in jeopardy should Lynch show anything in camp.

 

Aikens is going to end up at safety, imo. Hickey drafted him with this in mind, i would imagine. Aiken gets beat way too often in off coverage, as you see here and in the youtube clips of his games. He's good in press, which we didn't play much of last year. I just don't see a great feel for the cornerback position when he has to use and close any sort of off coverage or cushion. Given the young guys we have at CB, I'd be in favor of a position switch based off the stuff online. He certainly has the size and speed (6'1 4.4) to make for a rangy safety.

Tripp is going to have a steep learning curve because of the level of athlete he's going to start seeing all of a sudden. I love the energy and it looks like his instincts are okay, albeit against weak (slower) competition. But there are things in coverage that just aren't going to fly when he's running with or pursuing NFL players. Too many wrong steps that give up separation, needs to play stronger in space whether it's wrapping up or getting off perimeter blocks, and the main thing is that he lets his momentum get away from him too often...like he tightens himself up and gets off-balance when he's doing anything beside coming downhill. I like the athleticism and energy, but it's going to take a lot of refining to make him a legit linebacker at this level. I wouldn't expect him to do a whole lot this year aside from special teams. But hey, he's a 5th round pick and there is something to work with long-term. Seems like he has the right attitude for it.

 

I doubt that Lynch was asked to do that type of 1 on 1 blocking at Georgia. Had him demonstrate something he hasn't done much and probably won't do much.

 

Bold statements being made about Matt Hazel, but I actually see the same things with him as well. He's a pass catcher and a football player. You can always rely on those guys. Rod Smith 2.0 is a high ceiling in my opinion, I hope you're right.

 

I was real glad that he slid into undrafted in the GML. Was a toss up between Lackey and him. Was real happy when no one challenged me for him to as I hadn't drafted a single WR.

 

I guess I have to chalk this one up to people seeing different things.

I do not see a slow player. I see the opposite. He's actually very fast and athletically gifted.

His reactions were slow, but that's a different measure.

 

This much more closely approximates what I see in Jordan Tripp.

In fact I see it a bit more simply. He's your classic project player. He needs to be taught what things he needs to key on in order to be successful. If you see this then do this, that sort of thing. He'll be given a much clearer road map by his NFL coaches.

He's like a poor man's Ryan Shazier and it's no coincidence Miami were all over Shazier and then took Tripp as a consolation prize. He's got tremendous natural abilities and he really seems to be playing off pure instinct rather than refined coaching and recognition. Physically or mentally I am not sure I see any road blocks inherent to who he is as a player. I'm not sure I see these issues you're talking about with tightening up in this situation or that. I just see a physically and mentally impressive guy that's out there winging it...which was good enough at the FCS level but won't be good enough in the NFL.

 

You make me sad mentioning Shazier. He's going to be a freak at Pittsburgh. Oh well.

Can these small college coaches not coach? The cues taught should be the same regardless of the level it seems to me and in watching Tripp to me he looks pretty fluid and quick.

 

I don't think that's really the case.

 

I agree this time. If all coaching was equal Sparano and staff would still be here.

 

Which measurables though?
Comparing Tripp at the combine, to Coyle at his pro day:

Tripp
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6026
Weight: 234
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash: 2.61
10 Yrd Dash: 1.61
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
Vertical Jump: 37 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.96
3-Cone Drill: 6.89

Coyle's Pro Day:
Dates: 03/18/14
Height: 6006
Weight: 235
40 Yrd Dash: 4.60
20 Yrd Dash: 2.69
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 37
Broad Jump: 09'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.28
3-Cone Drill: 6.74

How does Tripp win on paper, looking at size/speed?

2013 Stats? Coyle: 125 tackles. Tripp: 100 tackles.
2012 Stats: Coyle: 107 tackles. Tripp: 95 tackles.

To add: Glad we drafted Tripp, just wish we could have drafted Coyle too.

Edit: Coyle has 32.5" arms. Tripp has 30.75 " arms

 

The Larsen spelling with the 'e' would indicate either Norwegian or Danish ancestry. Larson would indicate Swedish. So, it's important to get it right. :yes:

 

Yeah that's what I mean, he reacted slowly and had him trying to catch up afterwards.

 

If Sparano had Tannehill he would still be here. jmo.

 

I imagine part of that was nerves. You take an FCS player and put him in the Senior Bowl against the best players in the FBS and then put national television cameras on him and the knowledge that every snap is going to have a direct effect on his draft stock...that can be tough to get used to. I imagine it's not the same for a guy in space trying to cover as it is for a guy in the trenches. The guy in the trenches can rely on the tunnel vision of matching up his physical abilities with the physical abilities of the guy in the phone booth with him. If you're in space trying to cover then you're feeling pressure to predict things, and the increase in speed really becomes an intimidating factor.

Tripp will be a project at this level. But he was one of a very short list of acceptable consolation prizes if you missed out on Shazier or Mosley in the 1st round and you're intent on picking up a player you think may play three downs instead of just two downs. The others were probably Christian Kirksey, Kevin Pierre-Louis, Jordan Tripp and maybe Marquis Flowers.

You could argue Telvin Smith but some scouts would argue he swings the pendulum too far, that he should only be a nickel specialist rather than a three down guy. I think I would argue that Khairi Fortt could be a three down guy and I know some others that would argue Avery Williamson or Lamin Barrow...but like Telvin Smith, those guys would be subject to argument on both sides.

 

I guess you're right, and those drills do favor the aggressor whether it is the D-lineman rushing the O-lineman, or the receiver going at the cover guy, the aggressor has an advantage in those drills. I just got a little deflated watching his slow reaction time.

 

Larsen doesn't look like he'll make it, jmo.

 

There's a difference between a guy just looking good on paper at his pro day and a guy whose physical ability looks dynamic on tape. Jordan Tripp is very much the latter. On film, in drills, wherever you put him his lateral movement ability is special and so are his forward acceleration and his hips.

But you're right that Brock Coyle flashed a lot there and honestly I'd have liked to sign him as a UDFA just to be sure.

 

To be fair I don't know how anyone watches the Jordan Tripp vs. Coastal Carolina video and comes away liking Brock Coyle more. Jordan Tripp was clearly used in a multitude of roles to challenge the offense and free other players to the ball. That lateral ability, those hips, his length and strength all flash constantly. Brock Coyle seems like a straight forward or straight backward player. Not nearly as much lateral ability. Not as safe a tackler either. He had more tackles but his position seems designed to clean up all the tackles.

 

Tripp reminds me of Atlanta's Paul Worrilow who went undrafted out of Delaware last year but stepped into Mike Nolan's complicated defense and became a tackling machine as a rookie with 120 tkls in Atlanta's final 11 games. They're both slightly undersized, can run & jump, boast an outstanding pair of shuttle & cone times, and as players are instinctive, decisive, fiery, and make plays all over the field. Similar play style. I could see Tripp having a similar future provided he gets bigger and stronger. Crazy to me that Worrilow went undrafted with how he jumps out on film.

Tripp
Height: 6026
Weight: 234
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash: 2.61
10 Yrd Dash: 1.61
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
Vertical Jump: 37 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.96
3-Cone Drill: 6.89

Worrilow
Height: 6020
Weight: 238
40 Yrd Dash: 4.59
20 Yrd Dash: 2.59
10 Yrd Dash: 1.57
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 30
Vertical Jump: 34 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.97
3-Cone Drill: 6.50

[video=youtube;tVTkklnjXzE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVTkklnjXzE[/video]

 

Well if you think about it Jordan Tripp went at the bottom of the 5th round so that's not very far off from a Paul Worrilow going undrafted.

And you're right Todd they're similar players. I wish I'd seen Worrilow play more when he came out because he pops out in that tape. And so do his numbers.