Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

I did read your entire reply. I was just saying, I personally don't give any grace there, Tua is responsible for who he hires.

I never said that YOU were absolving him.

 

LeBron is far more talented. Better ballhandler. Far better passer. Far better court vision. Better 3pt shooter. None of those things were about being a physical freak. But yes, he is ALSO a physical freak and that is part of him being a better rebounder.

 

Florio and Simms were discussing Tua’s weight gain last year and Florio said he was surprised that Tua was able to keep the weight on during the season. Simms said it didn’t surprise him since the amount of conditioning QBs do during the season is actually quite limited and he himself had to work to stay in shape during the season.

This got me thinking that perhaps Tua was given a diet to help him gain muscle but that diet wasn’t altered as the season progressed.

 

Lebron is also a *****

 

Better than being a rapist.

The following statement by Kobe Bryant was issued after sexual assault charges against him were dropped:

"First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman
involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.

"I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

"I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on
the citizens of the state of Colorado."

This was a violent encounter. The victim had bruises on her neck and Kobe admitted to police to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters. When asked how hard he was holding onto her neck, Bryant stated, "My hands are strong. I don't know." The encounter drew blood from the victim, which was found on the shirt Kobe wore. The medical examination of the victim also showed "vaginal trauma." Kobe didn't claim that this woman, who he had just met, verbally or affirmatively gave consent. He didn't claim he asked her permission to strangle her and she said yes or that she asked for it. His story is basically that he assumed that this women he had just met wanted to be bent over a chair hard enough to draw blood and strangled hard enough to leave bruises while he f$%^ed her from behind so hard it left vaginal trauma.

 

Some folks are suggesting that Tua's shortened his throwing motion and adjusted his stance. The windup on the throw to the rook did seem to be quicker, but it remains to be seen what adjustments he's made and whether they impact his game positively or negatively.

 

Peyton Manning's first first three playoff games were all losses with 62.3, 82.0 and a 31.1 passer rating. He followed that up with a 158.3 and his first post season win. He didn't get is first playoff win until 2004, drafted in 1998.

The Dolphins have been snake bit when it comes to injuries at the end of the season the last few years. Tua's performance in big college games/moments make me not about his mentality. I only really worry about chokers. Clutch players are just those that can perform under pressure close to what they do when more relaxed. So, in a team and matchup sport like football, teams and matchups matter for performance. Particularly for a QB like Tua. His strengths help the OL overcome, but needs his receivers/backs to be on point. They didn't have a healthy WR room at the end of the season and addressed that by heavily investing in depth this off season.

 

Peyton's 82.0 is a very good rating for a playoff game in that era. It's above average passer rating for the regular season, which was 78.1 in 2000, and playoff ratings tend to be 5-10 points worse on average. So really Peyton was around 10 points higher than playoff average by his second playoff game. We'll see if Tua can do that. Either way, until Tua does it it's a concern.

And some of the late season performances by Tua are best described as choking. No injury excuses. QB has to find ways to overcome. Tua has done that repeatedly in the regular season, but he's fallen short in do-or-die games. That's the last hurdle he has to overcome (last moving goalpost he has to hit). I'm high on Tua, but he still has stuff to prove, especially when it comes to playoff performances.

 

It wasn't a average performance for Manning that year. It was 12 points below his season average that year and he followed that up with the worst playoff game of his career the following year. I agree that Tua has to prove it. You cannot say it happened until it does. I just am confident it's more about team than Tua and am there for more worried about that being correct.

 

For Peyton it was almost exactly average. If you compare Peyton's regular season passer ratings in the years he made the playoffs to his playoff passer ratings that year, you get an average difference of 13 passer rating points less for the playoffs.

Peyton wasn't a great playoff QB, and that's statistical evidence to back it up. He was good enough to win some SBs (though his 2nd one was due to the defense), but he wasn't like Montana or Mahomes whose playoff averages didn't (or don't) drop.

 

That is not how PFF grades QBs. They isolate what the QB is responsible for on a play by play basis. They do not base it on yards, TDs, passer rating, or any other measure. They assign a score (-2 to +2) to the QB on every play, then add them up. So things like a screen pass that goes 99 yards for a TD is graded lower than a 50 yard pass that is dropped.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-quarterback-play

They grade Tua as the best passer and the 7th best overall then just chuck it out the window..... the only possible excuse is that they are weighted towards late season play.

 

This is why I rarely visit this forum. The mods need to understand that the traffic here is a fraction of other forums and this is a large part of the reason why. The haters are ridiculous.

 

That's pretty interesting. I never looked into the modern to slightly older great QBs regular vs Post season passer ratings. My opinions about clutch vs non clutch players is mostly shaped by NBA shooting. Would need at least a seasons (16 games) worth of post season games to matter.

Tom Brady: Reg 97.2 Post 89.8
Joe Montana: Reg 92.3 Post 95.8
Steve Young: Reg 96.8 Post 85.8
Dan Marino: Reg 86.3 Post 77.1
P. Mahomes: Reg 103.5 Post 105.8
Drew Brees Reg 98.7 Post 97.1
Russel Wilson Reg 100 Post 95.3
Troy Aikman Reg 81.6 Post 88.3
B. Roethlisberger Reg 93.5 Post 86.7
Aaron Rodgers Reg 103.6 Post 100.1
Brett Favre Reg 86 Post 86.3

There were a bunch of QBs that didn't have enough post season games to consider. The three outliers were/are all on dynasty level teams. I am sure I am missing some obvious others to add to the list.

 

I saw that as well and the side by side comparison is quite remarkable. McDaniel has stated he’s seen more zip on Tua’s throws so that can only be a good thing. Tua seems to be following the coaching philosophy of Dan Marino Sr as told to the GOAT…the ball goes up and out.

 

I dunno, y'all. I might prefer Beefy Tua to Tua Lite. He's rail thin now:

 

I'm not buying it. Dude looks ~210 in that video.

 

So you're saying he should get off Ozempic and go back to Lizzo?

 

The guy carries a lot of (good) weight below the waist. Last season we saw him get fat from the waist above. So much so that even his face got fat. If he’s 227 now I don’t think he should lose anymore or risk losing muscle.

 

Okay, this one made me laugh. But nah, just want him at the right weight to play well and avoid injury. 227 sounds like a good weight but that seems like an aspirational weight for the videos I'm seeing.

 

Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa shows up to promotional event with entirely new look
You wouldn't even recognize him
By Jordan Dajani
1 hr ago

Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa is hoping to put pen to paper on one of the most lucrative contracts in NFL history soon, and when he does, he will probably look pretty different.

This past week, Tagovailoa showed up to a promotional event to take pictures with fans, and you have to wonder if the Miami QB sent someone else in his place. Check out this video from NBC 6 South Florida:

Tagovailoa is sporting a different hairstyle, has no facial hair and definitely lost weight. Per NFL Media, he is down to 220 pounds, which is 10-15 pounds lighter than his 2023 playing weight.

The comments were so overwhelming on this post, journalist Giselle Espinales had to again take to social media saying, "Trust me it's Tua. Just clean shaven."




Tagovailoa has certainly rocked a couple of different looks during his short time in the league. No matter the look, the former No. 5 overall pick has just gotten better and better each year. This past season, Tagovailoa completed a career-high 69.3% of his passes, became the first Dolphin to lead the NFL in passing since Dan Marino with 4,624 yards, threw a career-high 29 touchdowns and made the Pro Bowl. Next is a big payday.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-to-promotional-event-with-entirely-new-look/

 

I was going to post that pic of Tua with that fan. Holy ——!! If you haven’t watched it, check out that vid that Owen posted.
Uhhh….. he looks like he is like 12 years old or something. Holy.

 

At FIRST glance, I thought the fan in the jersey was Tua.

 

Wow. Tua's offseason makeover is almost as dramatic as Emo Jimmy that reported to Heat media day in October.

 

If I saw him like that for the first time on the street, I would not have recognized him. If someone pointed him out and said "that's Tua" I probably would have said "no, it's not."

 

Don't like the new pubic hairdo.