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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Sep 11, 2023.
No it hasn't. This is simply NOT TRUE. The claim has been he CAN'T. No qualifiers. Period.
He makes that ridiculous statement, meanwhile an ACTUAL FORMER NFL QB says that he cannot OVERSTATE how SPECIAL a throw that was......
The number of ridiculous posts about Tua is just amazing.
Every single one of his ridiculous posts is directly rebutted by numerous independent experts. They have no agenda. They are simply commenting on what they see in the context of what is actually takes to play the game at that high of a level.
Troy Aikman "It is a good as a punt!" Hey Troy, how often do teams punt on third down in FG range????
It was definitely that he can't make those throws at all
And probably only Mahomes is really making it consistently.
The original claims were he would NEVER be able to go off script and make those types of throws. It just wasn't possible for him because of his limited talent.
You listed a news story about him not getting an extension yet and said this
“Are we surprised? Apparently the front office isn't sold on Tua anymore than some of us on here are.”
It’s all good if you’re not sold yet..
Just own it
He keeps referring to it as a "national news story" too for some reason, like it's this controversial, hotly debated argument all over the country.
Herbert is a very good Qb imo.. So is Tua
Rivers was the most overrated Qb if all time
exactly, he has improved. Some one here are talking as if TUA today is the same as all the other years. He is not, he has improved and is becoming elite.
Tua said his first read was downfield, so yes he was looking down field.
Gotta give props to the OL too, last year he likely is sacked.
Comparing Tua to Herbert constantly kinda shows one doesn't believe Tua is special.
Lots of drops .... he cant catch the ball too.
Hoping our defense can dominate their OL. There OL was brutal in preseason. That should give us more chances to score.
Marino is the only one of the ones you commented about that does not have a HOF receiver. Assuming Kelce will make the HOF down the road.
What's not to like about a QB who is getting better every single season?
Miami has their franchise QB, and I haven't been able to say that since Marino. Only health could threaten that status, and that's true of every player in the NFL.
Maybe list who you think is elite ?
The only concern are his past injuries.
The post YOU quoted said I need to see elite play for a full sseason from BOTH of them to think of them as elite. I don't think either is elite. So again, what is your problem?
True. But I love that Tua and the coaches were proactive about doing everything they could in their power to mitigate the risks associated with last year's concussions. If Tua finishes this season healthy, I wouldn't be shocked if a similar jiu-jitsu program that Tua took part in becomes part of most QB's off season training regiment.
Great post. The comparison isn't warranted statistically. One is consistently above average but hasn't improved at all while the other keeps improving and is playing himself towards an elite QB.
The only reason the comparison keeps being made is because there are some posters who keep focusing on physical traits instead of performance and think we made a massive mistake taking Tua. In their minds Tua is merely an average to slightly above average QB, which is just ridiculous given the emerging evidence.
I heard he only throws to spots that are determined pre-snap..... Trent said so.....
Maybe Josh Allen because he is consistently elite. He never throws bad picks...oh.... crap....
I don't think anyone here doubts Mahomes. They are just pointing out that even he needs a decent supporting cast.
Tua looked like the best QB in the league this week.
Since it is the discussion - Herbert and Tua can both be great. But, if you need a clutch play in a big spot...I think a lot of people (even non-Dolphins fans) are starting to believe they'd take Tua over Herbert in that moment. And that's not a small thing.
If you noticed yesterday, after Tua threw the game winning TD pass they showed Herbert walking back to the bench to get his helmet looking like "damn, I gotta go back out there and try to win this?"
This is revisionist history btw. Many many times you said or implied that at best Tua is a slightly above average QB. Not "at worst" lol. And you often say that when clarifying your positions!
Here's one example:
Both he and Wilkins are the favorites for that tag for sure..
I'm beginning to think Herbert will be considered Rivers by the end of his career if he continues to show limited improvement.
Does he know that there is a search function?
Tell you what’s amazing at this point
His process is so fast because he’s learned that in order to deal with o line issues he has to operate at a different speed
He had the 3rd least amount of time to throw
Think about that, if it wasn’t for how fast Tua is release footwork etc he would be getting crushed
If he plays remotely close to this all season, he isn’t going to get franchise tagged...and he is definitely not getting a Daniel Jones contract. He would be more likely to get the biggest contract in NFL history
Nobody ever wanted to consider that Dolphins and Chargers could have both got the right guy for them. I do not believe Herbert has his contract if he played in the disaster of an offense Miami put out there for a couple of years.
My problem ? I have none.
Your problem ? The Dolphins drafted Tua over Herbert and you took it personal so you hold a vendetta over Tua while trying to make others believe you're actually hoping for the best from him while we know that to be false.
There, is that better ?
Oh, and the other problem you may be dealing with is Rodgers current state of affairs.
Oh OK. So you just made up a lot of stuff when you lost an argument. Sounds good.
I have no problem with this take. Both guys can be good at the same time.
LOL, guess what ?
It STILL isn't working. And who's arguing?? Just because I call you out on your " car salesman " like antics doesn't mean I put enough value in it to care.
Huh? Isn't it common knowledge that he doesn't go through his progressions? Have I been sold a bill of goods?
Tua threw 1/3 of his passes 15+ yards and completed an insane 60% of them. Bonkers numbers.