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  1. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    No it hasn't. This is simply NOT TRUE. The claim has been he CAN'T. No qualifiers. Period.
     
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  2. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    He makes that ridiculous statement, meanwhile an ACTUAL FORMER NFL QB says that he cannot OVERSTATE how SPECIAL a throw that was......

    The number of ridiculous posts about Tua is just amazing.

    Every single one of his ridiculous posts is directly rebutted by numerous independent experts. They have no agenda. They are simply commenting on what they see in the context of what is actually takes to play the game at that high of a level.
     
  3. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Troy Aikman "It is a good as a punt!" Hey Troy, how often do teams punt on third down in FG range????
     
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  4. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    It was definitely that he can't make those throws at all

    And probably only Mahomes is really making it consistently.
     
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  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    The original claims were he would NEVER be able to go off script and make those types of throws. It just wasn't possible for him because of his limited talent.
     
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  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You listed a news story about him not getting an extension yet and said this



    “Are we surprised? Apparently the front office isn't sold on Tua anymore than some of us on here are.”

    Lol..

    It’s all good if you’re not sold yet..

    Just own it
     
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  7. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    He keeps referring to it as a "national news story" too for some reason, like it's this controversial, hotly debated argument all over the country.
     
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  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I disagree

    Herbert is a very good Qb imo.. So is Tua

    Rivers was the most overrated Qb if all time
     
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  9. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    exactly, he has improved. Some one here are talking as if TUA today is the same as all the other years. He is not, he has improved and is becoming elite.
     
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  10. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Tua said his first read was downfield, so yes he was looking down field.
     
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  11. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Gotta give props to the OL too, last year he likely is sacked.
     
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  12. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Comparing Tua to Herbert constantly kinda shows one doesn't believe Tua is special.
     
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  13. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Lots of drops .... he cant catch the ball too.
     
  14. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Hoping our defense can dominate their OL. There OL was brutal in preseason. That should give us more chances to score.
     
  15. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Marino is the only one of the ones you commented about that does not have a HOF receiver. Assuming Kelce will make the HOF down the road.
     
  16. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    What's not to like about a QB who is getting better every single season?

    Miami has their franchise QB, and I haven't been able to say that since Marino. Only health could threaten that status, and that's true of every player in the NFL.
     
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  17. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe list who you think is elite ?
     
  18. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    The only concern are his past injuries.
     
  19. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    The post YOU quoted said I need to see elite play for a full sseason from BOTH of them to think of them as elite. I don't think either is elite. So again, what is your problem?
     
  20. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    True. But I love that Tua and the coaches were proactive about doing everything they could in their power to mitigate the risks associated with last year's concussions. If Tua finishes this season healthy, I wouldn't be shocked if a similar jiu-jitsu program that Tua took part in becomes part of most QB's off season training regiment.
     
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  21. cbrad

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    Great post. The comparison isn't warranted statistically. One is consistently above average but hasn't improved at all while the other keeps improving and is playing himself towards an elite QB.

    The only reason the comparison keeps being made is because there are some posters who keep focusing on physical traits instead of performance and think we made a massive mistake taking Tua. In their minds Tua is merely an average to slightly above average QB, which is just ridiculous given the emerging evidence.
     
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  22. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I heard he only throws to spots that are determined pre-snap..... Trent said so.....
     
  23. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Maybe Josh Allen because he is consistently elite. He never throws bad picks...oh.... crap....
     
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  24. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone here doubts Mahomes. They are just pointing out that even he needs a decent supporting cast.
     
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  25. Linus

    Linus Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tua looked like the best QB in the league this week.

    Since it is the discussion - Herbert and Tua can both be great. But, if you need a clutch play in a big spot...I think a lot of people (even non-Dolphins fans) are starting to believe they'd take Tua over Herbert in that moment. And that's not a small thing.
     
  26. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    If you noticed yesterday, after Tua threw the game winning TD pass they showed Herbert walking back to the bench to get his helmet looking like "damn, I gotta go back out there and try to win this?"
     
  27. cbrad

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    This is revisionist history btw. Many many times you said or implied that at best Tua is a slightly above average QB. Not "at worst" lol. And you often say that when clarifying your positions!

    Here's one example:
    https://thephins.com/threads/tua-is-not-the-problem.96818/page-59#post-3481062
     
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  28. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Both he and Wilkins are the favorites for that tag for sure..
     
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  29. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I'm beginning to think Herbert will be considered Rivers by the end of his career if he continues to show limited improvement.
     
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  30. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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  31. TheHighExhaulted

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  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tell you what’s amazing at this point

    His process is so fast because he’s learned that in order to deal with o line issues he has to operate at a different speed

    He had the 3rd least amount of time to throw

    Think about that, if it wasn’t for how fast Tua is release footwork etc he would be getting crushed
     
  33. Linus

    Linus Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If he plays remotely close to this all season, he isn’t going to get franchise tagged...and he is definitely not getting a Daniel Jones contract. He would be more likely to get the biggest contract in NFL history
     
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  34. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Nobody ever wanted to consider that Dolphins and Chargers could have both got the right guy for them. I do not believe Herbert has his contract if he played in the disaster of an offense Miami put out there for a couple of years.
     
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  35. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    My problem ? I have none.

    Your problem ? The Dolphins drafted Tua over Herbert and you took it personal so you hold a vendetta over Tua while trying to make others believe you're actually hoping for the best from him while we know that to be false.

    There, is that better ?

    Oh, and the other problem you may be dealing with is Rodgers current state of affairs.
     
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  36. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Oh OK. So you just made up a lot of stuff when you lost an argument. Sounds good.
     
  37. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with this take. Both guys can be good at the same time.
     
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  38. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    LOL, guess what ?
    It STILL isn't working. And who's arguing?? Just because I call you out on your " car salesman " like antics doesn't mean I put enough value in it to care.
     
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  39. OwesOwn614

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    Huh? Isn't it common knowledge that he doesn't go through his progressions? Have I been sold a bill of goods?
     
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  40. TheHighExhaulted

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    Tua threw 1/3 of his passes 15+ yards and completed an insane 60% of them. Bonkers numbers.
     
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