Turner,Ireland and Sherman on the chop block

Those three rightfully so need to be canned.

Throw Zac Taylor into that package and you got yourself a deal.

"Disgustipate wrote:

Throw Zac Taylor into that package and you got yourself a deal.

Do you think that if Sherman was canned and Philbin wasn't, he'd keep Taylor on staff as a favor?

"Disgustipate wrote:

Throw Zac Taylor into that package and you got yourself a deal.

Would that be Philbin firing them on his own or someone above him demanding a few sacrificial lambs to feed the mob?

"GMJohnson wrote:

Would that be Philbin firing them on his own or someone above him demanding a few sacrificial lambs to feed the mob?

Honest question:

What have Zach Taylor, Mike Sherman, and Jim Turner done to deserve keeping their jobs?

This isn't about appeasing fans and/or the "mob". This is about firing company employees that failed to do their job up to standard

We're not going to get a quality GM here if we don't let him have his choice at head coach. Firing Ireland but making Philbin untouchable is a waste of time. I don't intensely dislike Philbin, but he hasn't done anything to make keeping him worth possibly losing out on a quality GM.

"GMJohnson wrote:

Would that be Philbin firing them on his own or someone above him demanding a few sacrificial lambs to feed the mob?

Philbin hired them. He should be the one firing them, but I'd imagine that order comes from Stephen Ross and not Philbin himself. That would indicting in and of itself as well.

I think the ownership forcing firings in a Head Coach's staff is equally as troublesome as the Head Coach himself not realizing the necessity for the firings on his own. This attachment of Philbin's towards Sherman is somewhat disturbing.

And to add to that. What pedigree do Jim Turner and Zach Taylor have that could possibly say that they'll ever be successful coaches at this level?

Neither has NFL experience, and they've appeared (or their units) appeared to have failed miserably at this level

"Eop05 wrote:

And to add to that. What pedigree do Jim Turner and Zach Taylor have that could possibly say that they'll ever be successful coaches at this level? Neither has NFL experience, and they've appeared (or their units) appeared to have failed miserably at this level

I'm not concerned with their prior experience, only their results. Those speak for themselves.

"emocomputerjock wrote:

I'm not concerned with their prior experience, only their results. Those speak for themselves.

Right, and that's the most important. But neither of those guys can even say they've ever had success at any point in the NFL. At the very least, Sherman can

"emocomputerjock wrote:

I'm not concerned with their prior experience, only their results. Those speak for themselves.

While I agree on Turner (though the failure of the OL is actually more damning for Joe Philbin; if he's got one expertise, it's as an OL coach for crying out loud), I'm not sure I dislike Zac Taylor's work with Ryan Tannehill. He's coming along pretty nicely for a quarterback with very limited college experience and playing behind what figures to be the worst OL in the business. Is there room for improvement? There sure is. But if you didn't fully intend to develop Tannehill for more than just two years, then you picked the wrong quarterback.

"emocomputerjock wrote:

Do you think that if Sherman was canned and Philbin wasn't, he'd keep Taylor on staff as a favor?

I think it's possible, but I tend to hope he'd be reassigned. It's hard to rage too much against nepotism in the NFL when knowing someone is how a lot of good coaches have gotten their shot, but he should never have been the quarterback coach.

I'm assuming the idea was that Sherman could handle the job and Taylor would apprentice, but that I think was pretty problematic as well considering Sherman was his head coach in college and any "flaws" that were there would be less likely to be corrected.

The guy should have been the assistant QB coach, or a quality control assistant.

Firing those three would be enough for me, but I wouldn't be opposed to more changes. Ireland needs to go, this last draft class has been a trainwreck and he should have been let go already. Let the new GM make the call on Philbin & Co. one way or the other.

"Eop05 wrote:

Honest question:

What have Zach Taylor, Mike Sherman, and Jim Turner done to deserve keeping their jobs?

This isn't about appeasing fans and/or the "mob". This is about firing company employees that failed to do their job up to standard

Besides being related?

"There are also questions about offensive line coach Jim Turner and quarterbacks coach Zac Taylor. Turner presided over an offensive line that was a disaster much of the year. Taylor got moderate but unimpressive improvement out of quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Both Turner and Taylor are related to Sherman by either blood or marriage. So do they stay if he goes?"

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/30/3843470/armando-salguero-dolphins-owner.html#.UsDyj-y-07g.twitter#storylink=cpy

Still find it shocking that Turner has been kept on board this long.

Jim Turner is related to Mike Sherman?

wait...turner is related to sherman too? lmao. is the entire f'ing family incompetent or what?

"emocomputerjock wrote:

Do you think that if Sherman was canned and Philbin wasn't, he'd keep Taylor on staff as a favor?

I don't see why he should. Tannehill ended the season playing his worse football of the entire season. So if you are going to change the coaches on the offense, the QB coach, Taylor needs to go too.

"Eop05 wrote:

Honest question:

What have Zach Taylor, Mike Sherman, and Jim Turner done to deserve keeping their jobs?

This isn't about appeasing fans and/or the "mob". This is about firing company employees that failed to do their job up to standard

Serious answer: I have no idea.

For all we know Philbin thinks they did a terrific job. My question was more about whose deciding that those assistants be canned. IF Philbin wants them fired them of course they'll be fired but what if he doesn't, does someone above him step in and demand they be let go? If Philbin's hand is forced will he be allowed to pick the new guys or will that decision be taken away from him as well?

Do you cut your HC off at the knees and then expect him to perform better? Personally I feel like it's Philbin staff and he should be allowed to run it as he sees fit for as long as he's the HC.

"jim1 wrote:

Besides being related? "There are also questions about offensive line coach Jim Turner and quarterbacks coach Zac Taylor. Turner presided over an offensive line that was a disaster much of the year. Taylor got moderate but unimpressive improvement out of quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Both Turner and Taylor are related to Sherman by either blood or marriage. So do they stay if he goes?" Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/30/3843470/armando-salguero-dolphins-owner.html#.UsDyj-y-07g.twitter#storylink=cpy

Well, that explains that.

"Sumlit wrote:

I think the ownership forcing firings in a Head Coach's staff is equally as troublesome as the Head Coach himself not realizing the necessity for the firings on his own. This attachment of Philbin's towards Sherman is somewhat disturbing.

I'm not sure. If I knew someone in my profession since being a young man, respected his career and such....I'm not sure I could fire him either. I'd probably say...lets succeed or go down together. Its good Ross will make tthis decision.

"GMJohnson wrote:

Serious answer: I have no idea.

For all we know Philbin thinks they did a terrific job. My question was more about whose deciding that those assistants be canned. IF Philbin wants them fired them of course they'll be fired but what if he doesn't, does someone above him step in and demand they be let go? If Philbin's hand is forced will he be allowed to pick the new guys or will that decision be taken away from him as well?

Do you cut your HC off at the knees and then expect him to perform better? Personally I feel like it's Philbin staff and he should be allowed to run it as he sees fit for as long as he's the HC.

That is how it should be. When you start dictating to the coach though, you should just get rid of the coach.

"Caps wrote:

Firing those three would be enough for me, but I wouldn't be opposed to more changes. Ireland needs to go, this last draft class has been a trainwreck and he should have been let go already. Let the new GM make the call on Philbin & Co. one way or the other.

I think the Dolphins need to hire a new DC also. This defense has gone down with Coyle calling the defensive plays. The defensive line and LB's were not nearly as effective this year as they have been in the past. Of course the LB play went down because Ireland was dumb enough to cut Dansby and Burnett for Wheeler and Ellerbe. That had to be one of the worst personnel moves in NFL history.
I blame Coyle for not finding ways to use Jordan in the defense. The Dolphins had zero pass rush in their last two games and Jordan was drafted to help provide pass rush pressure for this defense. Either Jordan is a bust as the third pick in the 2013 draft or Coyle isn't bright enough to find ways to utilize him.