Hopefully the criticism about him working the middle of the field now goes away, he's done well there all year, and has really nice feel and touch for that area..

 

He is a rookie. A ROOKIE.

 

Whats that? Step by Step pictures showing our all-world WRs getting zero seperation?


RTH's fault. 'Wildly' Inaccurate.

 

Showed some good seperation by the receivers on some plays

 

That messes up a moronic preconceived notion thus cannot be acknowledged as factual

 

They are bound to get SOME seperation, They wouldn't have a job if they didn't ever. fact of the matter is that its pretty easy to say they get much less than they should, and much less than other starting WRs, 'limiting' the offense, which is a nice way to put it. its a Pro RTH breakdown if anything, while still being subjective and showing some of things he needs to work on as well. I usually like those reads.

Just being spiteful to the RTH hate as of recent :tongue2:

 

And mind you, aside from one, "some plays" that showed seperation on that breakdown were -all- completions. Go fig?

 

This is the NFL. Especialy in playoff football, unless you have a Calvin Johnson/AJ Green wide receiver, separation is going to be little and open windows are going to be short.

If Ryan doesn't improve to the point where he can make the passes even when his receiver is closely guarded he isn't going to be a franchise quarterback.

 

Although he has proven that he can make the throws, because i'd almost be willing to say hes had more tight windows than not, aside from some blow out plays. (in which the WR usually trips on a ladybug avoiding easy points anyway).

Edit: If anything the article is showing he CAN throw well up the middle and CAN throw very well into tight windows, because he HAS to. and there is a difference between "elite" seperation, moderate seperation, and borderline zero seperation. No one is saying the kid doesn't have a lot to work on, but i still blame a huge part (most of, not all) of the pitiful offense, lower QBR and missed opportunities for points moreso on the hands than the QB.

 

I disagree. More often than not it has been the quarterback for his low quarterback rating. He CAN throw well up the middle and in tight windows, however not very consistantly. People are just making excuses for his sparatic play, however he needs to improve a lot.

 

I guess I expect&accept the inconsistency of rookie QBs which leads to my bias, although I didn't want to draft him in the first place, the whole premise of rookie QBs coming into the NFL and lighting it up "MVP" style is pretty out there to me. Theres no real reason to say people make 'excuses' for his sparatic play. I also wouldn't call it sparatic. Inconsistent? Sure. But he can only do so much. When you have other teams, team writers, commentators, Jason Taylor, and Chad Henne, and plenty of others all agree he is doing damn well for what he has to work with. I have to agree with their opinion even moreso than my own on this one, and he makes it apparent. I agree with you in that He needs to improve quite a bit, but I also believe he HAS improved quite a bit. Upgrading his tools it will do nothing but aid the 'improvement' process, which is what he needs.

I'd love to blame the QB. I'm a young Miami Fan and its in encrypted into my DNA, But I don't think I have ever seen in any other season in my lifetime, or from any other team SO many missed opportunity and blown plays/points from WRs after being gifted with perfect passes handed to them in wide open space. The theme of the offense this season has been 4-7 yard completions. and then anything over that, even when wide open, is not expected to get points because the talent isn't there. But I guess that is to be expected when your starting receivers are 'depth' 'backup' 'possession' receivers to any other team in the NFL.

 

People seem to have widely divergent views on what constitutes "open", "wide open", "blanketed" etc. Those views usually seem to depend on the person's predetermined views on Bess/Hartline/Tannehill, etc.

 

I saw more from Brandon Marshall last season or very least just as many. Like 3, which is about the amount that exist.

All I see here are excuses for Tannehill's play. He is a rookie and I give him a pass. Still even these fast receivers like Armstrong were getting super great passes.

 

Thanks.

 

Either way we both give him a pass and agree he needs to improve. I will say as someone who was furious at the draft pick -- I really like his potential.

Our blame delegations for poor offensively play are just a tad different. :tongue2:

 

I bet you weren't surprised when it happened. That's just the way it goes for the Dolphins as of late.

 

Happens to everyone Aqua.

 

I wish more people would pay attention to things like this while watching the games. To me, its hard to fault Tannehill for maybe being impatient in the pocket. Our OL isnt giving the greatest pastt protection at times, and our WR's dont consistently get open, so Im sure its hard for him to not take what little he can get, when he can get it.

 

Yes you can and all QBs do it. Mannings, Brady, Marino, Kelly, Elway, et all.

Its magnified here because our fans are bat **** crazy need machines.

 

your right, on the season I think rookie has had below average protection..

 

Right, but you have no idea if that was timing play or not. if Hartline doesn't get off the line cleanly, or stumbles as he's know to do, it could thrown the whole play off.

 

A QB lets the ball go LONG before the receiver comes that wide open. He has to assume he's gonna beat his man but also that coverage may be tight. Can't just chuck it up like a game of 500.

 

I mean no offense and completely off topic, but I think it is chock not chalked. Just for future reference.

 

You somanumbatching cork-soaker!

 

Lol

 

Ahhhh meister, it gets me every time..lol

 

Sonofumbatching..lol

I always try to figure out the best way to spell those sayings, but you really nailed it

 

Just taking a look at the splits for rookies this year:

Andrew Luck...sacked 32 times on 537 attempts.
Under pressure: 41 of 100, 41%, 643 yards, 6.4 YPA, 5 TD, 3 int, 67.2 QB rating
132 (sacked + pressured) of 578 (sacked + attempts) = 22.83%

RG3...sacked 28 times on 351 attempts.
Under pressure: 36 of 62, 58.1%, 520 yards, 8.4 YPA, 4 TD, 1 int, 100.2 QB rating
90 (sacked + pressured) of 379 (sacked + attempts) = 23.74%

Russel Wilson...sacked 24 times on 330 attempts.
Under pressure: 20 of 56, 35.7%, 270 yards, 4.8 YPA, 3 TD, 3 int, 47.5 QB rating
80 (sacked + pressured) of 354 (sacked + attempts) = 22.59%

Ryan Tannehill...sacked 25 times on 396 attempts.
Under pressure...18 of 50, 36%, 266 yards, 5.3 YPA, 0 TD, 1 int, 45.9 QB rating
75 (sacked + pressured) of 421 (sacked + attempts) dropping back to pass = 17.81% of time

Brandon Weeden...sacked 24 times 463 attempts.
Under pressure...18 of 62, 29%, 207 yards, 3.3 YPA, 0 TD, 3 int, 20.8 QB rating
86 (sacked + pressured) of 487 (sacked + attempts) = 17.65%

In looking at the splits it looks like Weeden and Tannehill have faced pressure the least percentage of the time when dropping back to pass (sacks + attempts = pass plays). Then again I think Luck, RG3, and Wilson (not sure about Weeden as haven't watched too much of Browns this year) have shown the skill to hang in the pocket a little longer going through their progressions which would result in higher percentage of the time being sacked and pressured.

 

And they seem to have no idea that those two things are related. :)

 

This was great. Very good info to help form opinions.

So how do we help Tannehill develop, other than insisting he stand strong and take more time to go through his progression?

 

He needs to move around better..

 

Wasn't it at one point this year, Tannehill the best (or far up there) QB, rookie or not, when there was pressure?

 

He held it for a little while; He was tops after the Arizona game and has fallen back considerably since.

 

For anyone keeping track, Andy Dalton has 12 TDs. In his last 6 games. Tannehill has 8 in 14 games.

Tannehill still has a shot to be better, but the TD production has to be very concerning. Especially comparing him to other young QBs.