Walter Football 4 round mock 2/20/13

Good thing its just a mock. Now i remember why i stopped reading that site. :(

It's not how I would go, but I don't thinkt that it's all that bad. Richardson is a talent who would bring speed to the defense, but DT isn't my preference. I love Watson at RT if Long bolts, with Marting going to LT, and Woods is a good receiver but not one of my favorites. Poyer is a good corner, Pugh is supposedly a good OL but I'm not familiar with him. Gholston is fast for his size and can track down from the back side, but he's yet another DE who doesn't show enough at his primary function, beating OTs 1 on 1 at the LOS. That matters a lot more to me than lateral pursuit.

I like Charlie Campbell more than Walter on that site- he lost me when he went all in for Jimmy Claussen a few years back, calling from the mountain top for him to be the #1 overall pick. Just not a fan of his mocks in general.

TBH, my view of this draft is it is shallow and some DE's are being overrated, guys who don't really have the quicks but are decent all around, DT's who have physical tools but are not exactly Reggie White like etc

No dominant type Running Backs or Wr's, Te class looks somewhat thin as well.

Reminds me a lot of 2009 tbh, no great Qb prospects, middling talent at positions we need.

Suspect Warmack will be a All Pro type

That's an....uh....interesting mock.

You could do worse than Richardson, Watson, Woods and Poyer. Not my preferences, but it really isn't all that bad. Gholston has compelling speed for such a big DE, bit as I mentioned earlier there are certainly questions about him imo.

"jim1 wrote:

You could do worse than Richardson, Watson, Woods and Poyer. Not my preferences, but it really isn't all that bad. Gholston has compelling speed for such a big DE, bit as I mentioned earlier there are certainly questions about him imo.

To me it is simply b/c while they are good prospects, they are not what I'd consider "elite' type prospects.

This draft is very shallow in that category aside from..offensive line..compare say the 07 draft vs today and the 2013 class is not even close to that quality imo.

"jim1 wrote:

You could do worse than Richardson, Watson, Woods and Poyer. Not my preferences, but it really isn't all that bad. Gholston has compelling speed for such a big DE, bit as I mentioned earlier there are certainly questions about him imo.

When you consider the talent Miami left on the board during Miami's picks, this draft is about as bad as it gets.

"jim1 wrote:

You could do worse than Richardson, Watson, Woods and Poyer. Not my preferences, but it really isn't all that bad. Gholston has compelling speed for such a big DE, bit as I mentioned earlier there are certainly questions about him imo.

They also had Pugh as the 3b pick, so 2 OL in the top 5 isn't what I'd want, depending on free agency.

I like their previous draft a little better, Sharrif Floyd, Barrett Jones, Jamar Taylor, Jordan Reed, Stedman Bailey, and Justin Pugh. Though they covered nearly the same positions just different names.

Charlie Campbell's last mock draft was IMO, a little better than Walter's too.
1. Floyd
2a. Ertz
2b. Rhodes
3a. Pugh
3b. Bailey
4. John Simon

Not very likely Rhodes falls to our 2b pick though.

"padre31 wrote:

TBH, my view of this draft is it is shallow and some DE's are being overrated, guys who don't really have the quicks but are decent all around, DT's who have physical tools but are not exactly Reggie White like etc

No dominant type Running Backs or Wr's, Te class looks somewhat thin as well.

Reminds me a lot of 2009 tbh, no great Qb prospects, middling talent at positions we need.

Suspect Warmack will be a All Pro type

Warmarck is the very best pick one can make at 12. It will pass of fans to no end, but whatever.

"Clark Kent wrote:

When you consider the talent Miami left on the board during Miami's picks, this draft is about as bad as it gets.

Well, from that perspective of who is on the board , my preferences:

1. Dion Jordan/Jarvis Jones/Alec Ogletree
2. Menelik Watson (love it if Long bolts)/Xavier Rhodes/Tyler Eifert/Stedman Bailey
2. Marcus Wheaton/Corey Lemonier (I like Datone Jones, but not as a fir right now)
3. Da'Rick Rogers/Tank Carradine (maybe Gavin Escobar, but that's on reputation, I don't know enough)/Sean Porter

That's just going through what was listed for easy reference- I like AJ Klein but not so sure about the 4th rd, maybe a bit high- good player, though. Same for Marquess Wilson.

"pocoloco wrote:

Warmarck is the very best pick one can make at 12. It will pass of fans to no end, but whatever.

He is the one player that I'm confident will be an "elite" type, otherwise I'm not seeing to much of that in this draft class.

Star, could be, otherwise none of these guys are really jumping out at me, though I do suspect Keenan Allen will be better than people think he will be atm.

"MrClean wrote:

Charlie Campbell's last mock draft was IMO, a little better than Walter's too.
1. Floyd
2a. Ertz
2b. Rhodes
3a. Pugh
3b. Bailey
4. John Simon

Not very likely Rhodes falls to our 2b pick though.

Campbell imo is consistently better than Walter. John Simon is interesting, relentless, but size challenged and the the athlete of say a Rob Ninmkovih to project to LB.

Sheldon Richardson is a blue chip player, guess folks are still sleepin on it..can anyone tell me another 300lb football player that can line up at outside linebacker and drop into coverage.?

"Clark Kent wrote:

When you consider the talent Miami left on the board during Miami's picks, this draft is about as bad as it gets.

This.

When I looked at this draft at first, I said "Well, honestly, that's not too bad!" even though I'm not a Robert Woods fan whatsoever. Then I went back to see who was available instead. Yeah, wow, if Miami passed on Wheaton for Woods and Jones for Pugh, I'd be kinda sick.

"MrClean wrote:

Charlie Campbell's last mock draft was IMO, a little better than Walter's too.
1. Floyd
2a. Ertz
2b. Rhodes
3a. Pugh
3b. Bailey
4. John Simon

Not very likely Rhodes falls to our 2b pick though.

That'd be the worlds greatest draft, both from a needs point of view and a value-per-pick point of view. Like Ireland should be extended 5 years immediately type of draft.

Using this as a metric (I know, by no means a science)
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21703458/nfl-draft-top-100-draft-board

You're getting #7, #14, #24, #72, #80, and a guy >#100. That's insane value. I'm biased though, I have Bailey as a top 64 player, while they have him around #72.

That's like 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders using a 1,2,2,3,3. That's.... just insane. Throw in a signing of Greg Jennings and Hartline and my god we've got ourselves a Madden off-season but in real life.

What do you do with Bess, though? You dont keep him and Bailey on the same team long term. Do you try to trade him for value? What could you get? a 4th in 2014?

"djphinfan wrote:

Sheldon Richardson is a blue chip player, guess folks are still sleepin on it..can anyone tell me another 300lb football player that can line up at outside linebacker and drop into coverage.?

Yes he is an absolute freak. That being said, drafting a DT will still be a bummer

The Richardson pick isn't bad, but one of his reasons for it shows his depth of knowledge on the Dolphins, "the Miami Herald recently suggested that Odrick will be traded"...well, no they didn't, Armando in his self-appointed blog role as GM in waiting said that he would put him on the trade block. I haven't read anything from the Dolphins, rumour or not, saying that they think the same.

IMO it's unlikely that we go into a draft seeking playmakers and only get one offensive playmaker in the first five picks. And then choose one that isn't particularly explosive.

The second round would piss me off, yup seems about right.

"hammer wrote:

Yes he is an absolute freak. That being said, drafting a DT will still be a bummer

the point I'm trying to make is he wouldn't be like drafting your typical dtackle, like Dion Jordan, he's special, and he might be the best def end out of the bunch with his size/agility ration..very diverse players, can move them all around.

"djphinfan wrote:

the point I'm trying to make is he wouldn't be like drafting your typical dtackle, like Dion Jordan, he's special, and he might be the best def end out of the bunch with his size/agility ration..very diverse players, can move them all around.

The problem with Jordan is that he tends to turn the corner like the QEII when trying to get around OTs- a common theme this year as per DEs who who had problems getting stonewalled, at least from what I've seen- cases in point Moore, Ansah, Jones and Gholston. I like Jordan, he's long, lean, fast, aggressive and uses leverage well. I like his movement and how he drops into coverage- I think that he's better suited for OLB to attack and pursue as opposed to getting locked up with a succession of 300 plus pound OTs. I still like him, would definitely consider him at #12. With all these DEs, buyer beware.

I'm really not understanding the Moore love to be honest. I just don't see him as this elite pass rusher. I think he'll really really struggle to get off NFL caliber OT blocks.

"jim1 wrote:

The problem with Jordan is that he tends to turn the corner like the QEII when trying to get around OTs- a common theme this year as per DEs who who had problems getting stonewalled, at least from what I've seen- cases in point Moore, Ansah, Jones and Gholston. I like Jordan, he's long, lean, fast, aggressive and uses leverage well. I like his movement and how he drops into coverage- I think that he's better suited for OLB to attack and pursue as opposed to getting locked up with a succession of 300 plus pound OTs. I still like him, would definitely consider him at #12. With all these DEs, buyer beware.

What is that?