We got a TON of work to do........A look at the salary Cap
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2socksforum_veteranOPI recognize many people on this board have different knowledge of different aspects of the team. I think collectively we could help each other understand where we really stand and weather these coaches have a prayer of putting a competitive team on the field.
I personally do not see how all of this can be accomplished in one season. It seems as if we year after year try to fix this little piece and that little piece hoping it translates into a much better on field product. We don't ever seem to go all in and once and for all address an area of the team that needs fixing.
For example, if last season we would have went all in on the Offensive line and built depth we most likely would have still made the playoffs when Albert went down. Now we go into this off season and we still have glaring holes on the offensive line. I want to fix this team once and for all. We will once again live and die by the OL next year so we need to fix it and move on.
The deeper I look the more I discover we need and it is not going to get easier it is only going to get harder. The next is from the article. I don't necessarily agree with the article but it does give a general over view of what we need:
For the 2015 version of the Miami Dolphins to improve upon a mediocre 2014 campaign, changes need to be made throughout the roster. Since the coaching staff is likely to remain intact, that means players will be churned and upgraded wherever possible.
The Dolphins’ salary-cap situation isn’t conducive to such changes right now, however. According to Over the Cap, the Dolphins have $143 million in cap obligations, and the cap ceiling is expected to be between $140 and $145 million in 2015. Luckily, Miami can create a solid amount of cap space, which we will dig into.
One way the Dolphins can begin free agency with some room to work with is by carrying over $8 million from 2014. Since Miami kept that $8 million difference last season, it will benefit this free agency.
Don’t forget, the rookie draft class will likely require around $5 million to sign seven picks. So that’s more room to account for.
Let’s jump in and see the five areas that Miami’s lack of cap space will affect this offseason.
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AquafinNew Memberwe will improve when we stop drafting offensive linemen in the first two rounds year after year.
VanDolPhansubscriberWe are not in bad cap shape. Just ditching the players we should due to poor performance will get us to around $38 million in cap room with the rollover without getting into more brutal cuts. It's just a lot of positions that need to be filled. Might even pick up a pick or 2 for them. Probably see a few one year deals though to help fill out the roster.
MikeHonchosubscriber"Aquafin wrote:
we will improve when we stop drafting offensive linemen in the first two rounds year after year.
I guess. Only if it means that by that point, we'd already shored up the OL and can take a flyer on play makers.
Headcoach material wouldn’t want to work somewhere they’re not trusted with actual football decisions.
They will have good cap space once they cut some players. Assuming the Dolphins are smart enough to do so. Crap....
13Machine8385subscriberThe answer to fixing the OL does not lie within drafting OL early over the next couple of years. We need to get a collection of playmakers on both sides of the ball. The OL is easier to fix through FA and mid/late draft picks.
How many other Offensive lines have 3 first rounder? Of those very very few, how many would draft another one early regardless?
Most of the league is ahead of us in terms of skill player talent. Its time to tip the scales instead of just getting by with mediocrity.
"13Machine8385 wrote:
The answer to fixing the OL does not lie within drafting OL early over the next couple of years. We need to get a collection of playmakers on both sides of the ball. The OL is easier to fix through FA and mid/late draft picks.
How many other Offensive lines have 3 first rounder? Of those very very few, how many would draft another one early regardless?
Most of the league is ahead of us in terms of skill player talent. Its time to tip the scales instead of just getting by with mediocrity.
I think Albert, guard in free agency, Pouncy, Turner, and James will be a good offensive line. Everyone back in their best position and hopefully an elite guard in free agency should do it. I would like to see a WR in the 1st round and a MLB in the 2nd round. They really need linebacker help and a redzone threat. Or a DT in the 1st round.
Watching CJ Mosley and Kueckley yesterday makes me want a beast middle linebacker so bad. Oh I miss the days of Zach Thomas.
FinSaneforum_veteran"Phins Up Wins Up wrote:
Watching CJ Mosley and Kueckley yesterday makes me want a beast middle linebacker so bad. Oh I miss the days of Zach Thomas.
Me too. The Koa Misi's of the world don't come close. Heck I'd settle for Dansby but that ship sailed when Philbin didn't want anyone with an opinion on this team.
adamprez2003forum_veteran"Phins Up Wins Up wrote:
I think Albert, guard in free agency, Pouncy, Turner, and James will be a good offensive line. Everyone back in their best position and hopefully an elite guard in free agency should do it. I would like to see a WR in the 1st round and a MLB in the 2nd round. They really need linebacker help and a redzone threat. Or a DT in the 1st round.
and our depth? we need depth as injuries happen and in fact derailed our season this year. I agree that we can try to get the fix through free agency. But if we dont, we have to draft at least two offensive linemen who are not projects, but plug and play types. that usually means earlier rounds
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"adamprez2003 wrote:
and our depth? we need depth as injuries happen and in fact derailed our season this year. I agree that we can try to get the fix through free agency. But if we dont, we have to draft at least two offensive linemen who are not projects, but plug and play types. that usually means earlier rounds
4th or 5th round for back ups. Don't need an OL in the 1st or 2nd in that case. Or maybe even get a veteran back up in free agency.
"Launchpad McQuack wrote:
Me too. The Koa Misi's of the world don't come close. Heck I'd settle for Dansby but that ship sailed when Philbin didn't want anyone with an opinion on this team.
Philbin has destroyed this team in more ways than one. Hopefully some free agents will want to come here despite him being here.
2socksforum_veteran"VanDolPhan wrote:
We are not in bad cap shape. Just ditching the players we should due to poor performance will get us to around $38 million in cap room with the rollover without getting into more brutal cuts. It's just a lot of positions that need to be filled. Might even pick up a pick or 2 for them. Probably see a few one year deals though to help fill out the roster.
Ok but every guy you get rid of you now have to pay their replacement out of the 38 million. And you have to do it by getting better players so the team doesn't regress.......
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In Our Business there is no second place
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2socksforum_veteran"Phins Up Wins Up wrote:
They will have good cap space once they cut some players. Assuming the Dolphins are smart enough to do so. Crap....
And your plan to replace those players with better player's for equal or less money is what????
Winning isn't everything - it's the only thing
In Our Business there is no second place
Either your first or your last
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2socksforum_veteran"13Machine8385 wrote:
The answer to fixing the OL does not lie within drafting OL early over the next couple of years. We need to get a collection of playmakers on both sides of the ball. The OL is easier to fix through FA and mid/late draft picks.
How many other Offensive lines have 3 first rounder? Of those very very few, how many would draft another one early regardless?
Most of the league is ahead of us in terms of skill player talent. Its time to tip the scales instead of just getting by with mediocrity.
What am I missing here. Several of you are saying the same thing, but have no answer in how to accomplish cutting the players we have, replacing them with better talant all the while freeing up cap space to add a play maker or two so we can improve the team
It's easy to state the obvious, but the obvious cost's money which we don't have
Winning isn't everything - it's the only thing
In Our Business there is no second place
Either your first or your last
Vince Lombardi
2socksforum_veteran"Phins Up Wins Up wrote:
Philbin has destroyed this team in more ways than one. Hopefully some free agents will want to come here despite him being here.
Thank you, someone had to say it
So can we as fans come up with a plan? Because GOD knows Philbin and company most likely won't.
Instead we are now saddled with another Jets guy to "supervise". This obviously has been the answer of the owner:
1. Retain a guy who has really ****ed up the roster and cap
2. Retain a new Jets reject to supervise in the way of Mike Tannenbaum
Winning isn't everything - it's the only thing
In Our Business there is no second place
Either your first or your last
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2socksforum_veteran"Launchpad McQuack wrote:
Me too. The Koa Misi's of the world don't come close. Heck I'd settle for Dansby but that ship sailed when Philbin didn't want anyone with an opinion on this team.
And now another hole will be filled be opened when they cut or trade Wallace. Instant offensive reduction.
This one I'm afraid is going to hurt more then the others
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In Our Business there is no second place
Either your first or your last
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CitizenSnipsNew Member"2socks wrote:
What am I missing here. Several of you are saying the same thing, but have no answer in how to accomplish cutting the players we have, replacing them with better talant all the while freeing up cap space to add a play maker or two so we can improve the team
It's easy to state the obvious, but the obvious cost's money which we don't have
Draft picks and solid FAs. Brian hartline and gibson production is replaceable by Rishard mathews and a rookie. Kevin white would be cheaper and more productive than both imo. I see good lbs get drafted every year...just not by us. Hopefully tripp actually steps up cause we need him too. Wheeler And ellerbe should be gone, tripp, mccain, misi l, jordan (?), need to fill in. Our big questions are really at dt and og.
2socksforum_veteran"CitizenSnips wrote:
Draft picks and solid FAs. Brian hartline and gibson production is replaceable by Rishard mathews and a rookie. Kevin white would be cheaper and more productive than both imo. I see good lbs get drafted every year...just not by us. Hopefully tripp actually steps up cause we need him too. Wheeler And ellerbe should be gone, tripp, mccain, misi l, jordan (?), need to fill in. Our big questions are really at dt and og.
Releasing Wheeler before June 1 only saves the Dolphins $200,000. He'll be back because it will cost more to replace him. $5.65 million on Ellerbe so he is probably history. Question is how much can we save replacing him and can we get a better LB for less. We will have to see how that one plays out.
With Jelani Jenkins on the weak-side and Misi on the strong side we are good for another season. We still need to add linebackers, and that cost money. Money that we save from Ellerbe will most likely get eaten up and we may need more. This money will have to come from elsewhere because we are tight everywhere.
So where do we get it from???? Wallace?
Winning isn't everything - it's the only thing
In Our Business there is no second place
Either your first or your last
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Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"2socks wrote:
Ok but every guy you get rid of you now have to pay their replacement out of the 38 million. And you have to do it by getting better players so the team doesn't regress.......
I don't think that is that big of a deal.
Ellerbe, Hartline, Gibson are all easily replaceable. Ellerbe is replaceable for nothing. Gibson and Hartline both can be replaced by players who cost way less. Especially Gibson who is useless with Landry on the team. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Hazel replaces him. If you use June 1st on Ellerbe and Hartline, that is $16 million in cap room for all three of them.
Then Starks and Finnegan need to be upgraded anyway. That is $10 million in cap space. That is $26 million in cap space where Starks and Finnegan need relatively paid free agents to replace them.
Should also lower Field's cap hit by giving him an extension, however you probably need to determine if he is worth keeping around.
Then there are many ways to work the cap.
Miami's cap space is in a fine position.
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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Dol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran"2socks wrote:
Releasing Wheeler before June 1 only saves the Dolphins $200,000. He'll be back because it will cost more to replace him. $5.65 million on Ellerbe so he is probably history. Question is how much can we save replacing him and can we get a better LB for less. We will have to see how that one plays out.
With Jelani Jenkins on the weak-side and Misi on the strong side we are good for another season. We still need to add linebackers, and that cost money. Money that we save from Ellerbe will most likely get eaten up and we may need more. This money will have to come from elsewhere because we are tight everywhere.
So where do we get it from???? Wallace?
It might save $200,000 this year, however it saves $3 million the season after.
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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Larryfinfansubscriber"Aquafin wrote:
we will improve when we stop drafting offensive linemen in the first two rounds year after year.
What and ignore a hole that's just as big as ANY other we have ??
LarryfinfansubscriberI think there are a few moves, most all of which we've talked about ad nauseum, that will give us some room to make a few moves that are needed...
13Machine8385subscriber"2socks wrote:
What am I missing here. Several of you are saying the same thing, but have no answer in how to accomplish cutting the players we have, replacing them with better talant all the while freeing up cap space to add a play maker or two so we can improve the team
It's easy to state the obvious, but the obvious cost's money which we don't have
Draft picks cost less money. Build through the draft. I felt that last year we absolutely had to draft 2 WR in the first 3 rounds. At some point we need to stock pile playmakers. The draft is the best way to do this.
Cut Hartline and Gibson. We don't need them.
Keep Wallace and draft a big bodied #1 WR at pick 14. Wallace has value. Hes not earning his contract but is still worth the 2.5M we would save if we cut him.
After that take BPA in round 2 and round 3. Wouldn't be a bad thing to find a Borland type player at LB like SF did last year in these rounds.
CitizenSnipsNew MemberWheeler was barely playing by the end of the season, saving any amount of money with him is good, cause we won't notice him being gone
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