Mando speaking on what I've been saying all season.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/
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No Finster, where we disagreed with you so vehemently is when you kept insisting Suh wasn't one of the elite DT's (as in top 3 at worst) over his time in Detroit. Not sure who else that watches the NFL agrees with your viewpoint there.
That article is talking just about Suh's play THIS year (Mando repeatedly makes reference to just his play with the Dolphins), and I don't think many here would argue he's clearly played as a top 3 DT so far this year. He's played very well, but not clearly elite this year, and while he might be overpaid is certainly a piece to build this defense around for the future (Jones is the only other one right now it seems). -
My stance, even if he was the #1 DT is that worth his contract?
And is he the #1 DT?
If we didn't sign him, would we be worse off?MonstBlitz, Finster, dolphin25 and 1 other person like this. -
without suh this defense would be in much deeper **** than it already is. one of the sacks vernon got last week was due to suh taking on two blockers and pushing one of them right into the qb's face as he was being held by the other. phillips will definitely learn a thing or two from suh as well.
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Here's the problem when you make ANY PLAYER the highest paid in the league for that position type- it's impossible to recover the value. We saw it with Revis and so many other players in recent years, yet it never truly works out because it cripples your roster.
Is Suh a great DT? Definitely. But would we have been better off using that cap money for an above average cornerback, a middle linebacker, and three offensive linemen? Because that's essentially what we paid for Suh....it kept us from signing 4-5 good to very good players. That's why I was 100% against the signing then and now...there's just no way he can "earn his paycheck" when we have other holes that need to be filled. The only position I can see giving that kind of money for is the quarterback, and that's only after they bring your city a SB ring or back to back conference championships.
Then again, it's not Suh's fault that the Dolphins overpaid and he's doing everything he can to motivate the team to play at higher levels. So I almost feel bad for him....but not really since he makes my annual income per series. He's destined to fail in any case, however, because it was a dumb move to begin with. We simply can't afford him and that's painfully obvious with the way the year has turned out.Finster likes this. -
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Outside of a franchise QB and some high impact players, it's hard to justify that money. As Miami has proved again, we are not one player away. Then you have to factor the impact it has on chemistry and team perception when/if we let some good players like Miller, Matthews or Vernon walk who have paid their dues but then throw money around at mercenaries.Finster likes this. -
For me it was this offseason, I went back and looked at a lot of Detroit games, and it seems to me to be a bit more than coincidence that his evaluation is nearly identical to mine, I got a ton of flak for saying that Suh wasn't a top 3 imo, he was more like top 7, and that he isn't a guy that takes games over, and he used the same examples like JT and Watt, and now in week 13 he is mirroring what I said prior to the start of the season, so like I said, that seems like a bit more than coincidence, especially when Mando is getting down on a player, because he has close ties to the Fins and writes most of his articles accordingly.
I also agree with JD, about no DT in the league is worth that, but I'll go a step further, there has never been a DT born that is worth that money, and Suh doesn't resemble those guys, he's not even the best playing today imo, never mind the all time greats. -
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Unfortuntely the front office thought signing Suh would make up for the below average LB's and secondary.
Instead of signing or drafting upgrades at the real positions of need on the defense, Tannebaum went for the big signing and ignored the real issues with the defense.
I really don't care how great a player Suh is. The fact is no one player on defense can make up for all the inept players surrounding him.
I still think on a decent defense, Suh would be one of the best players in the NFL. On the Dolphins defense, he is merely average because opposing offenses can constantly double and triple team him and the LB's are so bad they still can't make plays on a consistent basis.
I don't blame Suh one bit. The real problem with this team is Ross and Tannebaum and as long as they remain with the organization, I see no real improvement going forward. -
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that's incredibly short sighted. First of all, Suh is playing well, arguably top 5 or 6 at his position like the article states. Suh is not making the impact you want him to make, but that's because we have the worst (IMO) LB corps in the league and maybe the worst we've had in the 30 years as a dolphins fan. A DT is no different than a QB, it takes a supporting cast to make the defense great. We don't have that. The opposing offense knows the defense likely won't pick up the slack if they just double team Suh.
back to the short sighted comment. Yes, this year, it's hard to argue the value of Suh's contract. But he's not just playing for us this year. If you are Tannebaum, you believe that you can build a defense around this guy. We need to get rid of both Misi and Shephard and get two new LBs. -
You all laughed at me when I wasn't thrilled on the eve of the signing. I was called a cry baby and worse. Here we are in December, and the proof is here. Backing up a dump truck full of money for a DT is not a winning formula in this league. Even if Suh was as dominant as he was in Detroit, it would be, and is, a terrible signing. Miami Dolphins are a lagging franchise in finding winning trends. This signing was just more proof.
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Anyway, my stance on Suh was essentially the same in the offseason: his contract is worth it IF we end up having a top 5 run defense and are top 5 in points allowed. So far, Suh's impact isn't what most of us thought it to be, so Mando's really just saying the obvious here and is saying it a bit late (this was clear after ~6 games were played IMO). -
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You essentially argued against yourself and defeated yourself all in one fell swoop.Finster, MonstBlitz, Rock Sexton and 1 other person like this. -
You think we were better off with Henne over Matt Ryan? Oh lawd have mercy. Matt Ryan in Miami is at least 8 years of good QB play instead of what we've had. He's having a bad 3-4 game stretch and all of a sudden you think we were better off with Henne.MonstBlitz, Rock Sexton and dolphin25 like this. -
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