[video=youtube;eBI3vVWIJ9w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBI3vVWIJ9w[/video]
Some folks don't like this pick, I find myself liking it a whole lot and here are the reasons why:
-he creates his own space, if you watch him in the EZ, he uses his hands and body to create his own space, which is incredibly hard to coach into a player, like rebounding in the NBA you either have that skill or you do not.
-great concentration on the ball, in that sense he is sort of the anti Brandon Marshall, with him the ball is always alive if it is near him
-reminds me a lot of fmr Eagle/Vikng/Dolphin great Wr Chris Carter in a lot of ways, the body control and concentration and creating his own space are Carteresque imo
Now for weaknesses:
-I suspect he will be dinged a lot in his first couple of yrs as he is fearless over the middle, and the stuff he got away with in college is going to lead to "you got jacked up" type of hits
-functional speed, he plays faster then he times, but you can kinda tell he is not a burner
-would like to see him work the sidelnes more often, granted it is a short highlight video, but with his body control/concentration, he should be using the sidelines to his advantage more often
-remains to be seen if he can beat press coverage, he has the hands for it, but as I watch I'm not seeing a Cb lined up on his head at the LOS, in that sense we will have a good feel for what he "is" by reading about his camp battles with Sean Smith and VD.
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In other words a Green Bay WR prototype who is not a speed demon but is agile enough to make a move and get open.How many WR positions can he play?
Looks like Philbin had his hands all over this pick.Should make the PS. -
Well, recall Brandon Marshall doing that tread mill work last offseason to boost his speed?
I sort of think Cunningham really needs to do something like that prior to the season to boost his speed from functional to threatening, that and he will need lots of work at escaping jams at the LOS as his value is more inside the 20 yd line and he has to beat press coverage to by effective in the EZ. -
Does he have YAC potential?
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Great breakdown, I agree with all of it...
I realize this will come off as homerism, but check the MSU Nebraska film for press coverage. Cunningham was matched up against Dennard, for the most part and IIRC, that was the game that broke his consecutive receptions streak of 41 games. Cunningham was also double covered most of the game and almost always had a CB at his hip. -
IMO he does, if one notices he is fearless at running slants and most of his long plays came off of that route.
His problem is going to be man press coverage, if he could line up at the slot I'd feel a bit better about his chances to make an impact.
Rafi likes Matthews, IDK, what I did not like about his game is his plays came when he was "college" open, as in no defender within 2-3 yds of him, not sure how that will translate in the NFL. -
I watched a lot of UNR games out here. Matthews game is mostly outs and curls where he sets them up with good routes and pushes off to get separation. I would say he does that better than BJ (and I see that as a strength of BJ's game). Even on the long passes you see in the Matthews' highlights, they were more a result of route running than scheme or just blowing by everybody with speed.
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Thing is, Db's are better at pattern reading etc, how will he perform when they are not biting on the curls and outs?
I have a good idea of what Cunningham can do in that situation, Matthews I simply cannot project one way or another.
I happened to check out Jeff Fuller's stuff and he strikes me as a bit of a Pat Turner type, he is really going to have to bust his butt to up his game or he won't make it. Simplest thing that dude can do is become stronger.
If Miller is 215 and plays like he is 190, Fuller is 220 but plays like he is 150 in terms of toughness and tackle breaking ability, he is sort of the anti Marshall in that sense, he goes down if a stiff breeze blows by him. -
I love your optimistism, Padre.
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I don't see why. Matthews is more nuanced in his route running and his faster 3-cone (6.88 vs. 7.10) suggests he's probably quicker out of his breaks. Matthews is also as good if not better at pushing off. There's also not much difference in size (Matthews is a little taller), although Matthews is faster. If anything, there should be more confidence about what Matthews will do against NFL DBs than Cunningham will.
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When Randall Cobb started making plays for the packers last season I knew that their scheme was just built for wrs to make plays. I'm not knocking Cobb but on that team with that receiving core it was impressive to see him even get the ball thrown his way, much more so perform so well at times.
What I'm saying is, in Philbins offense, every wr is a #1 and every wr is a #2 and a #3.
Greg Jennings is the packs #1 right? But some would argue it's Nelson depending on what game your seeing. Also, despite his age, driver was still making plays left and right. And then there's Cobb.
This is why Cunningham might be a difference maker for us, even as a late round pick. The idea is that anyone who does their job right could get the ball with a chance to do something with itFin D likes this. -
We shall see, I suspect Cunningham is a bit more crafty then Matthews but only time will tell.
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I'm just wondering what you're basing it on. Even in the highlight videos posted here you're seeing Matthews pushing off and gaining separation so it can't be that. Why are you saying BJ is craftier and that you know what he'll do against NFL CBs?CWBIII likes this.
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You saw the same stuff as I have you tell me.
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This is not a fancrush just yet Gamblerx, a guy like this we'll know really quickly what he is.
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The "how" and "when" on the video you posted is mostly non-existant since the highlights are almost all of him already open or making catches where he didn't separate. But watching his games when I was evaluating Cousins, I would say that they show a guy who is less nuanced and no better at pushing off than Matthews.CWBIII likes this.
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This is simply not true. Greg Jennings ran a 4.4. Jordy Nelson, a big WR (6'2, 217) ran a 4.49 (fast for that size esp. the last 20).
Cunningham ran a 4.6 (4.59) at the Combine. Could he surprise? Yes. But, there's a reason he and the other kid (who also has some potential) were drafted in round 6 & 7. -
Of course.
When he spun away from the Db in the EZ, totally comparable to Matthews running free in the secondary, I can see where you get that from. -
Two 4.6 guys? Be still my heart.....
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Great highlight video.
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I'm going with the stats I see in the local papers, thanks.
OK, which one of these guys is going to be our #1 WR to replace Marshall?
And if you are one of those guys who thinks we don't need a #1, I have a bridge..... -
People get *****y when their beliefs are challenged.
His posts have been a steady stream of hate rhetoric towards the team/FO. The draft was better than he's willing to admit. So he lashes out, not because we questioned his beliefs but because he has and that makes him angry.
Basically the CLB (Chicken Little Brigade) has converted into the SVC (Sandy Vag Cooperative), when we don't win the Super Bowl this coming season, they'll morph into something much more sinister, which, I hope, is Jets fans.Jcouch1021 and djphinfan like this. -
Philbin doesn't think we need a #1. Especially the sort of #1 who gets that appellation by being an early draft pick. Jordy Nelson (who I love, being a K-State fan) is the highest drafted WR they have and he was taken in the 2nd round, I'll trust the GB style of WR talent evaluation and coaching given how stupidly deep they are at the position. Further, given how unimpressive anybody but Bess and Hartline have been over the past couple of seasons, I think there's a good chance both of our draft picks will stick on the roster and receive significant playing time.
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Lol..at least make it less obvious you are not attacking someone because of your bitterness..It reminds me of the movie tommy boy, where David spade keeps putting Chris Farley in his place, but Farley's character isn't the brightest of bulbs, so his retort is always the same...something like, " yeah...we'll, yur yur the one that's stupid"
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Greg Jennings was also taken in the 2nd round. As was Randall Cobb. James Jones was taken in the 3rd. I think Driver was the only low round guy that made an impact for GB.
So how exactly does that compare with our two 4th rounders, 3 UDFAs, including Bess, and a 6th and 7th?
Everyone here acts like GB ignored the WR position in the draft, and just has a bunch of guys.
I guess I'm in the minority here, I would have targeted a potential starter at WR in the 3rd, rather than a back up tight end. -
Sorry if I upset both your delicate sensibilities by disagreeing with you.
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Come on guys. Let's just take advantage of the ignore feature and not stoop to this level. No matter how witty and funny the joke was....:lol: -
This is not disagreeing..
" I'm going with the stats I see in the local papers, thanks.
OK, which one of these guys is going to be our #1 WR to replace Marshall?
And if you are one of those guys who thinks we don't need a #1, I have a bridge....."
That's you insulting a man that knows the game.
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