What would you rather have?

Great D, Defense wins championships. We have had the great O and average D in the past and it got us nowhere.

"USArmyFinFan wrote:

Great D, Defense wins championships. We have had the great O and average D in the past and it got us nowhere.

Exactly what my good friend said.

"USArmyFinFan wrote:

Great D, Defense wins championships. We have had the great O and average D in the past and it got us nowhere.

Yea that is how I feel I think Defense wins championships. The 2000 Ravens offense did not score for the first 7 weeks in the season. Look at the first loss. Yea boy.

2000 Baltimore Ravens
Franchise Index: Previous Season / Next Season

Record: 12-4-0, Finished 2nd in AFC Central Division
NFL Season Summary

2000 Super Bowl Champions

Scored 333 points (20.8/g), 14th of 31 in the NFL.
Allowed 165 points (10.3/g), 1st.
Differential of 168 points (10.5/g), 2nd.
Expected W-L: 13.5-2.5.

Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +23 (1.4/g), 1st.

Coached by Brian Billick (12-4-0)
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2000 Statistics / Starters & Roster / Games & Schedule / Team Draftees

Team Games & ScheduleGlossary · CSV · PRE
Score Offense Defense
Week Date Rec Opp Tm Opp
1 Sun September 3 W 1-0 @ Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Sun September 10 W 2-0 Jacksonville Jaguars
3 Sun September 17 L 2-1 @ Miami Dolphins
4 Sun September 24 W 3-1 Cincinnati Bengals
5 Sun October 1 W 4-1 @ Cleveland Browns
6 Sun October 8 W 5-1 @ Jacksonville Jaguars
7 Sun October 15 L 5-2 @ Washington Redskins
8 Sun October 22 L 5-3 Tennessee Titans
9 Sun October 29 L 5-4 Pittsburgh Steelers
10 Sun November 5 W 6-4 @ Cincinnati Bengals
12 Sun November 19 W 8-4 Dallas Cowboys
13 Sun November 26 W 9-4 Cleveland Browns
14 Bye Week
15 Sun December 10 W 10-4 San Diego Chargers
16 Sun December 17 W 11-4 @ Arizona Cardinals
17 Sun December 24 W 12-4 New York Jets 34 20
Playoffs
WildCard Sun December 31 W 13-4 Denver Broncos 21 3
Division Sun January 7 W 14-4 @ Tennessee Titans 24 10
ConfChamp Sun January 14 W 15-4 @ Oakland Raiders 16 3
SuperBowl Sun January 28 W 16-4

"RonnieBrownTown wrote:

Yea that is how I feel I think Defense wins championships. The 2000 Ravens offense did not score for the first 7 weeks in the season. Look at the first loss. Yea boy.

2000 Baltimore Ravens
Franchise Index: Previous Season / Next Season

Record: 12-4-0, Finished 2nd in AFC Central Division
NFL Season Summary

2000 Super Bowl Champions

Scored 333 points (20.8/g), 14th of 31 in the NFL.
Allowed 165 points (10.3/g), 1st.
Differential of 168 points (10.5/g), 2nd.
Expected W-L: 13.5-2.5.

Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +23 (1.4/g), 1st.

Coached by Brian Billick (12-4-0)
Sponsor this page for $120 per year and help Pro-Football-Reference.com provide this service.

2000 Statistics / Starters & Roster / Games & Schedule / Team Draftees

Team Games & ScheduleGlossary · CSV · PRE
Score Offense Defense
Week Date Rec Opp Tm Opp
1 Sun September 3 W 1-0 @ Pittsburgh Steelers
2 Sun September 10 W 2-0 Jacksonville Jaguars
3 Sun September 17 L 2-1 @ Miami Dolphins
4 Sun September 24 W 3-1 Cincinnati Bengals
5 Sun October 1 W 4-1 @ Cleveland Browns
6 Sun October 8 W 5-1 @ Jacksonville Jaguars
7 Sun October 15 L 5-2 @ Washington Redskins
8 Sun October 22 L 5-3 Tennessee Titans
9 Sun October 29 L 5-4 Pittsburgh Steelers
10 Sun November 5 W 6-4 @ Cincinnati Bengals
12 Sun November 19 W 8-4 Dallas Cowboys
13 Sun November 26 W 9-4 Cleveland Browns
14 Bye Week
15 Sun December 10 W 10-4 San Diego Chargers
16 Sun December 17 W 11-4 @ Arizona Cardinals
17 Sun December 24 W 12-4 New York Jets 34 20
Playoffs
WildCard Sun December 31 W 13-4 Denver Broncos 21 3
Division Sun January 7 W 14-4 @ Tennessee Titans 24 10
ConfChamp Sun January 14 W 15-4 @ Oakland Raiders 16 3
SuperBowl Sun January 28 W 16-4

LINK:D

"RonnieBrownTown wrote:

What would you guys rather have a great Defense and a okay offense or a ok defense and a great Offense. It has been proven that you can have one of thoughs and stil win a superbowl. For example them 2000 Raven a great Defense and an ok offense. The 2007 Colts are an example of a ok defense and a great offense. So which one would you rather have?

A great Defense any day.

"feelthepain wrote:

A great Defense any day.

Welcome FTP! I haven't seen you post here yet so I am assuming you just came. Glad to have you here.

"alen1 wrote:

LINK:D

One link coming right up http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2000.htm

"alen1 wrote:

Welcome FTP! I haven't seen you post here yet so I am assuming you just came. Glad to have you here.

Thanks. No I've been a member since the site was set up when FinHeaven went down. But you're right, I haven't posted much.

"feelthepain wrote:

Thanks. No I've been a member since the site was set up when FinHeaven went down. But you're right, I haven't posted much.

Oh ok. Still glad to have you here lol.

I want a terrifying D like the Ravens had a few years ago. They crushed people 9-3. Maybe a little more offense though.

"USArmyFinFan wrote:

Great D, Defense wins championships. We have had the great O and average D in the past and it got us nowhere.

But, we've also had a great defense and IT got us nowhere! At the time we had an adequate offense, just not a good one. One and done is just as bad as not winning enough to get in the play-offs to me!

IMO using the Colts' 06-07 defense as an example might not be fair. Although the Colts' defense was ranked something like 23rd throughout the season, they inexplicably caught fire once the playoffs started. See below. So it still could be said that the age old adage of "defense wins championships" still applied. Our defenses of a few seasons back still contributed to some of our losses. I can remember quite a few games when I would watch our defense hold up and keep us in the game; only to surrender a big play towards the end. You give up the big plays and you lose the game. So give me a top 5 defense. But give me an efficient offense. The offense doesn't have to be made in the likeness of the Colts. All I ask is that it holds onto the ball (no turnovers, win the time of possession battle) and when opportunity knocks put the ball in the endzone. For years our offense hasn't taken advantage of red zone opportunities. How many times have we watched the Fins drive within the opp 20 and stall out or turn it over?

WildCard Sat January 6 W 13-4 Kansas City Chiefs 23 8
Division Sat January 13 W 14-4 @ Baltimore Ravens 15 6
ConfChamp Sun January 21 W 15-4 New England Patriots 38 34
SuperBowl Sun February 4 W 16-4 N Chicago Bears 29 17

I dont really care as long as we ultimately win more games with whichever option we choose. Though, an intimidating defense is a fun thing to watch.

I would rather have a cheeseburger.

"FinSane wrote:

I would rather have a cheeseburger.

A cheeseburger would be nice, however i would like to see a very dominant defense combined with an effcient offense. ;)

I pick option whatever it friggin takes to win a Championship.

"FinSane wrote:

I would rather have a cheeseburger.

I like mine with lettuce and tomato, Heinz 57, and french fried potato, big kosher pickle and cool draft beer well good god almighty which way do I steer?:smile:

I take a great "D" anytime

"USArmyFinFan wrote:

Great D, Defense wins championships. We have had the great O and average D in the past and it got us nowhere.

I agree on the great D. Our great O never did have a running game. If we would have got the running game going it might have been a different story.

On defense there are less variables. Offenses depends highly on variables such as weather and field conditions, field position, time left in the game, timing, sun in the eyes, sweaty hands, the other defense, etc, etc...

This makes a great defense much more consistent than a great offense. I'll take the D and hope to catch some offensive breaks rather than the great O and praying for some offensive breaks.

If New England had won the superbowl I would say great offense. But the Giants did with a dominating defense, so I guess the old adage holds up. But I will say, it's becoming impossible to win in the NFL with an bad offense. Just look at the Ravens. So as long as the offense is good, I would say great defense.

It is very true that you have to have a very good defense to win the Super Bowl but it is rare that you can win without at least a top 10 offense also. For several years we've had a pretty darn good defense. Until it emploded in 2007, always in the top 10 and several times in the top 5 but the Offense left alot to be desired. Points wise we've only been above 18/19 points per in 2005 if I remember correctly because of Scott L.

I sure would like to see Parland at least do more than just give lip service to the O-line this year. That is why I would love to see Jake Long with the first pick. Will be happy with C. Long but we need to use at least two of these first three picks on the o-line, in my opinion.

Bingo!

"USArmyFinFan wrote:

Great D, Defense wins championships. We have had the great O and average D in the past and it got us nowhere.

Couldn't have said it better. Very well put! :hump:

"sgtphin wrote:

But, we've also had a great defense and IT got us nowhere! At the time we had an adequate offense, just not a good one. One and done is just as bad as not winning enough to get in the play-offs to me!

Yea that is true