Shula and Marino obviously. Henne is pedestrian at best and Marino was arguably the GOAT.

 

yeah its actually an apples or oranges type of question.

 

I get it, and I say it is worse that we wasted Marinos talent. If Marino had one 2-3 super bowls, this franchise would be a whole different animal. The legacy alone would have attracted higher profile free agents and coaches. This franchise would be considered among those like Pittsburgh or the NYG and maybe NE never would have had a chance to gain steam. For that assumption, I say F.U. Shula. But I still love you!

 

This thread is worse.

 

No SB for Marino is the worst thing that has ever happened to this franchise. When you are that close and fail it makes it that much harder to take.
I'm not sold that Henne is ruined and Sparano was just the enabler. Dan Henning is the guilty party for any damage done to our young QB.

 

Agreed completely.

Marino is the far worse scenario.
When an organization fails to win a championship with one of the best QB's ever to step on a field and a HOF QB to boot you've failed miserably. It's a complete embarrassment and a massive missed opportunity for the Phins organization.
I sometimes feel like wasting Marino's talent has been what's put this kharmic type curse the organization that we've been suffering from. A modern day curse of the Bambino situation.

I'm also not convinced Henne is ruined and am also convinced Henning was the worst culprit in stunting the kids growth.
Henne is behind the 8 ball though. I don't think he'll get another year past this one to show significant progress.

 

Shula's mistake was as the GM, not the HC, of this team thus we and Marino suffered thru bad picks.

Henne's problem stems directly from bad coaching, not the picking of players. IMHO Jeff Ireland has done and is doing a great job. jm2c

Quite honestly if Don Shula were the HC today I think we would have a great chance to be very good, as it is, not so much.

 

So, if Shula really ruined Dan Marino chance to win a Super Bowl, why is he still considered a God?

 

Undefeated season is greater than all/

 

I'll contribute...Sparano is a joke and incapable of leading a dominate football team.

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I agree with this, but doesn't some of this blunders as a GM take away from his God status?

 

Good question........ my first thought is pissing away the Marino years but that's in the past and at least those years were enjoyable.

This last decade has been nothing short of painful and the fact is, Henne is the best prospect we have had in that time. Which of course isn't saying much I know.....

So...... I vote watching the fist pumper bumble his way thru trying to develop a QB and totally mis-handling the only decent prospect we've had since Marino.

I'm glad we didn't another one for him to screw up...

 

This thread is awful because one's got nothing to do with the other. We don't need to dig up the cruel fact that we were blessed with the greatest QB of all time, but didn't win a Superbowl with him. You're just beating a dead horse. There's no reason to compare each and every coaching misstep to Dan Marino's failures.

 

Misunderstanding something isn't an indictment on it so much as it is an indictment on you.

 

Hate to say it but in all honesty these guys should get a minimum of two to three years now with Parcells not making the calls. I know if they don't produce in year one with no Parcells they are more than likely gone.

Its like saying you are in charge to make us win but i want you to do what Joe Blow says.

 

Parcells had nothing to do with Sparano's game day incompetence or mis-handling of Henne...........had it not been for us being blessed with having Nolan, it would have been a lot uglier last year.

Playoffs or Tony can fist pump in college where he belongs

 

Love Shula to death! He was not a great GM but dude could coach and he is THE most important employee this franchise has ever had.

 

Well, for one, I don't consider Don Shula a God. He's way short of THAT level, yet he is a great coach, all the while being a damn poor GM!

Amen!

 

He explained it quite clearly.

Shula was a damn good coach.
a HOF coach, one of the best ever to coach in the game.

Having said that, coaching and prospect/personnel assessment are two completely different talent sets.
If Shula had a strong GM paired with him Shula and Marino probably would have gotten a couple rings together.
Unfortunately the Phins made the same mistake many teams have done with top coaches in the past..... given them complete control over personnel. A good GM is a critical piece for long term success of any team.

So to repeat again what Gafinfan stated.
Shula failed as a GM but excelled as a coach.
He fully deserves his "God like" status as a coach.
Get it now?

 

Atomdomb is a dirty, freaking Pats fan. You should unthank his post.

 

If you know Jake's opinion of Henne, you expect him to thank it.

 

everyone loves Shula ... but when he lost Arnsparger - the 'D' was never the same ... period. Defense was not a Shula fortee ..

while i do subscribe to the fact that this regime put some constraints and 'expectations' on Henne heading into last year with threats hanging over his head regarding CP; the laundry list of why the offense was anemic last year can be rather long. i do believe that we'll see a more comfortable and confident Henne this coming year ... i'm looking forward to seeing positive steps towards and beyond Flacco level ....

 

I would definitely say this regime.

During Marino's career with Shula, he only had one losing season and for a while there, the Dolphins were perinnial AFC Champsionship participants.

Besides, in football, there are two sides of the ball...offense and defense. Marino and the offense weren't ever responsible for stopping the other team from scoring points that beat us...that laid with the defense.

 

Never giving Marino a decent running game or a decent defense.

 

Marino did not want a running game in his prime. He said he would have audibled out of running plays all the time to put the ball in his own hands.

The Defense sucked for almost his entire career except the year they went to the SB..

 

I've had it from the beginning. I just wanted to hear from different people who thought like me. I always thought Shula sucked as a GM but was a great coach. So, if that is true, then why does everybody want to hear what Don Shula thinks about certian players. Isn't that the area he failed in? Not bashing the man, just stating the obvious.