Who takes the hit???.Philbin or Leadership on team???
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djphinfansubscriberOPTry Separating how you feel about the guy as a coach and lets look where the blame should lye?, there are a lot of paths you can go down here...Belief that Philbin is a decent man who holds a high value on morals and conduct, someone who would never turn his shoulder away if this was transparent in the locker room, or, you really think that his lack of attention to the locker room jeopardized the well being of a tortured soul and that he should pay, or you think that the team has poor leadership among the team vets and allowed this situation to get out of hand, or you think philbin is responsible for putting together a team that has poor leadership, or, it's an isolated incident that has been handled and we should be allowed to move on??.It seems likely that this was good friends cuttin on each other, like we all have done before, with our own friends, but, one guy who just couldn't take the tone of the jokes anymore, after the fact that his professional life was not pointing upward, and one guy who didn't know his friend to well, who's someone who doesn't know where the line is??? To blame a good man like Philbin for allegedly coaching a team that has racism running thru it's locker room, is strait fu&$in media sensationalism, BS
This is a tough spot for the coach, one thing I do believe about him is that he runs the tightest ship he possibly can, and has great integrity, and I have mostly agreed with his belief system in how to build a team of character, I hope the players play hard for the guy because I personally can't find the logic to put it all on him..
BumrushsubscriberNobody. This story was blown out of proportion by an emotionally unstable player. The rookie hazing that is now considered bullying is a league wide issue and an NFL problem, not a Miami Dolphin problem. Once the dust settles the main victim will be Richie while Martin will be laughing to the bank.
fin13subscriberI've been there you are in charge you take the hit.
One caveat, you should be able to know what is going on, if Martin told him, Philbin is gone, period.
fin13subscriberBig mistake was to not pay Martin, that is what got this **** going, that was a huge mistake.
djphinfansubscriber"Bumrush wrote:
Nobody. This story was blown out of proportion by an emotionally unstable player. The rookie hazing that is now considered bullying is a league wide issue and an NFL problem, not a Miami Dolphin problem. Once the dust settles the main victim will be Richie while Martin will be laughing to the bank.
I can see that Rush, I'd like to play devils advocate here...I know we've all said some things to our friends (Lucky's example was funny) in jest and not think twice, but I'm not sure that voicemail was even in my ballpark, you?
invidsubscriber"fin13 wrote:
I've been there you are in charge you take the hit.
One caveat, you should be able to know what is going on, if Martin told him, Philbin is gone, period.
Indeed. Need more details, if Martin told him specifically what was going on between him and Incognito, and Philbin didn't do anything about it, he needs to go.
Bumrushsubscriber"djphinfan wrote:
I can see that Rush, I'd like to play devils advocate here...I know we've all said some things to our friends (Lucky's example was funny) in jest and not think twice, but I'm not sure that voicemail was even in my ballpark, you?
Depends on if Martin would leave him similiar voicemails..
I've worked in many different environments and nearly every single one of them involved people of different races or religions making fun of each other, often non-stop. In a male dominated environment I would say it's more the norm than anything.
HOWEVER, if they knew Martin was emotionally unstable, they should have toned it down. Especially if he really was suicidal.
djphinfansubscriber"fin13 wrote:
I've been there you are in charge you take the hit.
One caveat, you should be able to know what is going on, if Martin told him, Philbin is gone, period.
philbin met with Martin on Monday, Wednesday, and this past weekend, was in direct contact with him and his parents, vows that Martin said nothing of the sort when speaking to him, now that could be design by martins lawyers, but how is the guy upstairs gonna micromanage something like this?.. I know it's easy for other coaches and front office people to say that it would be different if it was under their watch but really?, isn't that a crock a sh&$ ?... These are grown men..
Bpkluxury_box"fin13 wrote:
Big mistake was to not pay Martin, that is what got this **** going, that was a huge mistake.
Which is Aponte/Ireland I'd think. Neither of who strikes me as super generous, warm hearted, nor compassionate in their roles. Not that they should be... just saying they are the opposite extreme imo.
djphinfansubscriber"invid wrote:
Indeed. Need more details, if Martin told him specifically what was going on between him and Incognito, and Philbin didn't do anything about it, he needs to go.
He told him nothing of the sort Vid..I tend to believe Philbin when he says this because of his character.
TooGoodForDezNew MemberYou don't issue a public statement on behalf of the organization calling the victim crazy.
The right thing to do is to clean house. Ross has not done the right thing.
banned
djphinfansubscriber"fin13 wrote:
Big mistake was to not pay Martin, that is what got this **** going, that was a huge mistake.
You mean because we dismissed him for wanting to take a leave of absence without pay, he got pissed and came clean as to how and what made him jump ship?
For the record, I don't believe the player should be paid under those circumstances.
djphinfansubscriber"Bumrush wrote:
Depends on if Martin would leave him similiar voicemails..
I've worked in many different environments and nearly every single one of them involved people of different races or religions making fun of each other, often non-stop. In a male dominated environment I would say it's more the norm than anything.
HOWEVER, if they knew Martin was emotionally unstable, they should have toned it down. Especially if he really was suicidal.
Right, well, we know the guy was unstable, yet Cognito and co still went there, so who takes the hit for lack of sensitivity, should our coach, or they guy that was just cut?
djphinfansubscriber"TooGoodForDez wrote:
You don't issue a public statement on behalf of the organization calling the victim crazy.
The right thing to do is to clean house. Ross has not done the right thing.
What was the medical term they used in the statement?
FinNastymoderatorIn a lockerroom with 53 players... I don't really think anyone takes a hit other than Incognito.
TooGoodForDezNew Member"djphinfan wrote:
What was the medical term they used in the statement?
mental issues. Not necessarily a medical term but a polite way of saying he is crazy.
banned
KB21subscriber"TooGoodForDez wrote:
You don't issue a public statement on behalf of the organization calling the victim crazy.
The right thing to do is to clean house. Ross has not done the right thing.
Actually, Ross is probably doing the right thing. He wants an external investigation into the matter so no one will be biased. He's not making a knee jerk reaction to media reports.
I really cant blame Philbin for this,werent these voice mails and texts done in April in the off season .How is he suppose to know what these guys are doing in April
Fin Dforum_veteranPeople need to stop jumping to conclusions and pay more attention to the facts we have.
Philbin hasn't done anything wrong. He was told of Martin's issues in April. Martin didn't blame Incognito or anything. He just discussed with Philbin his own issues. There was no incident and martin even joined in with the others and hazed and pranked players himself. He got demoted when McKinnie came in and got depressed. I minor prank was played on him (which was the same one he helped play on garner a week earlier) and he lost it.
Not only has Philbin been on top of it the whole time and reacted accordingly as new info has come out, be also coached the team to an overtime victory against a 6-2 team on a short week during all this.
People calling for Philbin's head for this are a 100% wrong.
Fin Dforum_veteran"TooGoodForDez wrote:
mental issues. Not necessarily a medical term but a polite way of saying he is crazy.
These are the official press releases about Martin:
Nov. 3
“The Miami Dolphins, including Coach Joe Philbin and Jonathan's teammates, have been in communication with Jonathan and his family since his departure from the club and continue to be in contact. Our primary concern for Jonathan is his overall health and well-being. As an organization, we take any accusations of player misconduct seriously. The notion of bullying is based on speculation and has not been presented to us as a concern from Jonathan or anyone else internally. The reports that the NFLPA is investigating our players are inaccurate. Additionally, the NFL offered its assistance during this time, which we appreciated and gladly accepted. We will continue to make Jonathan's health and well-being a focus as we do with all of our players."
Nov. 3:
“We received notification today from Jonathan’s representation about allegations of player misconduct. We are taking these allegations very seriously and plan to review the matter further. We have also reached out to the NFL and asked them to conduct an objective and thorough review. As an organization, we are committed to a culture of team-first accountability and respect for one another.”
steveincoloradoNew MemberHow do you know what was said between Martin and Philbin?
How do you know that Philbin was/is on top of all this?
Martin didn't get demoted, Clabo got demoted, Martin changed postions.
shula_guyNew MemberUnless the Dolphins told Ritchie to target Martin, the Dolphins players and coaches should be left out of this. Martin should take his case to the DA and if the DA feels their is enough there, press charges. Sort this out in court.
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frederic Bastiat
305forum_veteranCan we use it as an excuse to get rid of Mike Sherman please...
We're all here because we're all not there.
Fin Dforum_veteran"steveincolorado wrote:
How do you know what was said between Martin and Philbin?
How do you know that Philbin was/is on top of all this?
Philbin said that Martin never once called out a specific player to him. Watch the PC on the official site.
Its been reported that he had dealt with it when it came up in April.
Disgustipatesubscriber"Bumrush wrote:
Nobody. This story was blown out of proportion by an emotionally unstable player. The rookie hazing that is now considered bullying is a league wide issue and an NFL problem, not a Miami Dolphin problem. Once the dust settles the main victim will be Richie while Martin will be laughing to the bank.
Horse ****.
Incognito was under the impression that this "emotionally unstable" player had tried to commit suicide three times- as per esteemed ThePhins posted mommabilly. How can you possibly think equipped with that knowledge that Incognito is not at all culpable?
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