I agree that drafting QB's every few years is a good strategy and that we are a prime example of a team that needs to do that. Now get ready to duck.

 

Honestly, I don't want any half measures, if the organization decides that Tannehill is not the guy, then trade him away and get what you can for him, but if you're keeping him then you need to use your picks to surround him with talent and depth. Half measures just keep you stuck in mediocrity...

 

RT is a mediocre, however, as you said Goff, Wentz and Watson, looking that good after year 1 and 2, and yet tannehill has not yet nor will he ever look as good. I think rt is will fall off into QB abyss like a lot of other qb's. That said I would refrain from Lamar Jackson I don't see him as a helper, he should have not won the Heisman last yr it should have went to Watson or mcaffrey. Jackson will be e a bust and most likely an injury busts. but im all for a new qb draft as long as its a qb to go into our system.

 

umm I don't know, form last week it doesn't matter. an inaccurate running qb surely isn't the answer in Jackson

 

I think that RT17, Parker, Stills and Ajayi need 2018 together to see if they can all make it work. Hopefully, everyone is healthy, Gase has figured out how to minimize the problems with the OL and playcalling, and things are rosey.

If they aren't, then we burn it all to the ground, and start fresh in 2019, including drafting a QB.

 

What does deshaun Watson being good have to do with Lamar Jackson?

 

Nothing. And we don't even know that Watson is good yet. The league hasn't had time to react and adjust. He's shown good things, especially for a rookie, but he also has 8 interceptions in seven starts, and his completion percentage hasn't been terrific in some of them. Lets pump the brakes and see where it goes with him.

As far as Jackson, I don't think that he's a terrific passer even in college. He's also heavily reliant on the big play, and of course his legs, which is not sustainable in the NFL. Maybe he'll transition and pan out. Some guys do. But he's inherantly more risky than someone like Rosen or Darnold.

 

if that was towards me, im merely saying Jackson has bust written all over him and he shouldn't have won the Heisman last yr, Watson was easily better based on every aspect more so strength of schedule, it s hold have went to mcaffry or Watson not jackson

 

I wouldn’t trust this FO to pick another QB.

 

This.

Except..... if Gase refuses to adjust his offense THIS year, and we go another 2-3 games with ZERO points and average like 10-11 points per game for the season? Then burn it all down in 2018 and start fresh. If Gase can't step back, see the issues, then make adjustments -what good is he as a head coach? Even if his adjustments still lead to a losing season, I can live with that. I can't live with bubble screens game-after-game and hoping for better results.

 

LOL..

luuuuuuuucyyyyy,you got some splaining too dooooo..

jk man...

I'm sure he means dual threat qb..

I was high on Watson and Mahomes last year., thought teams were downright idiotic not to take them early..havent studied Lamar yet, but I will once this season is over...the offseason for me is just as fun as the real season..for real..

 

I dont think anyone is "afraid" of it. I think it's more along the lines for some, when they think that we have one (Tannehill) don't waste a resource early in the draft on one. Now, Seattle, NE, and other teams have proven you don't necessarily need to take one early, to get a good one. I think people are just hesitant on it. Combine that with the crapshoot that is drafting, and developing QB's, and you think why let one go that can play, to add a new one you're unsure of.

That being said, depending on how the rest of the season goes, I'd consider pressing the reset button at QB. Or, at least trying it. Especially if one falls to us with great potential somewhere in the draft. I wouldn't be replacing Tannehill with him at this point, but lets face it, we have a need at QB. Moore is what he is, likely won't be here much longer. Doughty is still obviously a work in progress, and would likely become the backup if Moore moves on, but that's just two.

Unless you have a clear cut franchise guy at the helm, you should be creating competition at the QB2 & 3 spots, and between the QB1/2 spots. Especially if your QB1 doesn't exactly sell you as the franchise type, and he's earning big bucks. Cap space is precious.

Now, all that being said.. :lol: Tannehill showed some pretty nice strides (down the stretch) last year in his first year with Gase, the arrow was still pointing up this year, and unfortunately we've lost this year. This year, IMO should have been the make or break year for him, but its unfortunately still going to be up in the air.

 

I'd draft Lamar Jackson.









As a WR.

 

Not at you. OP made the comparison even though Watson is a much more accomplished passer

 

I don't think it's a half measure to make what most people consider to be the most important position a priority and to invest in that priority regularly. If you strike gold twice you simply trade one nugget away at a premium and use those picks to strengthen the team even more. If you strike gold only once you are, well, gold. If you don't invest at all you have the post Marino Dolphins. I haven't enjoyed the post Marino Dolphins.

 

You mean after Doughty? Cause that's the only QB that THIS FO has drafted.

And regardless, we need to draft a QB. Hell, draft 2... along with a Guard or Center and a TE.

 

Although I agree on drafting a QB every year or every two, I think comparing Watson to the average expectation is a fool's errand. I'd put Watson in the top 3 or 4 QB's league wide this season so far, and I think the guy only gets better with time. He is incredible to watch and talent like that doesn't grow on trees.

 

I think there's over reaction by fans.

If we all remember, last year, all we needed was a decent defense instead of a terrible one and we would have gone further, because our offense was good enough. The only difference between this year and last offensively is Thill and Albert.

We don't need a QB. We need online help.

 

Oline as well. :beer:

 

Look at how many people yelled "I told you so" after we had a bad game a few days ago. We were 4 and 2, it was all sunshine and butterflies and now those same folks are ready to fire the coach, fire all three quarterbacks, trade away our entire offensive line, rebuild the defense and get a new kicker....because the freaking loser finally missed on on the season!

I think there may be some slight overreactions as well.

 

Not saying we should, but if we did make some big, crazy move like spending a 1st rounder or even trading up in the 1st for a QB, we should instead trade with the Chiefs for Mahomes. I know it was just pre-season, but the dude looked real good.

 

We have a system?

 

Not afraid of a QB competition and there's nothing wrong with one. I just don't think we need it. Of the 11 starting positions on offense i think QB (w Thill) is the last position I'm worried about. And whatever pick we'd use to bring in the legit competition for Thill, I'd rather spend on another position of need.

I mean if there's a Russell Wilson type situation where a QB of that caliber falls to the 3rd because of some stupid prototype metric like height, then yes absolutely take the guy in the 3rd...but that would be based on a specific player and not a concept like "bring in competition". I think we'd get a better ROI on players at positions of need like oline, TE, DE, CB.

We were the league's hottest team last year and we only fizzled out AFTER Thill went down.

 

Miami will be drafting a QB or signing one this year. You can't go into a season with a good roster and pin all of your hopes on a QB that will be nearly 2 years removed from gameplay.

 

No he can't. Look, the best QB in a generation is Rodgers, and he needs more from his team. Marino needed more from his team too.

It doesn't make sense to spend high resources every year to catch lightning in the bottle. Again, you have a finite amount of resources. No team would allow a GM to stick around if every year he burned his number 1 pick on a QB.

 

The league and the fact that 80% of NFL OL's are not very good is transitioning to the point where you better have either a cerebral pocket QB like Brady/Brees or have a fast athletic guy like Watson/Wilson. Even then you better have at least some talent surrounding them.

 

You's just don't get it.......

Damn, Marino behind this line would still be a flop......

Its starts with the line and if the line is upgraded and viewed as our #1 concern and spent money on Friggin Tannehill could be potentially more than adequate (though I'm not a big fan) point is its just not fair to judge QB play with such a crappy OL...(OL coaches evaluated too)

Fix OL first ( and not a half azz fix like the so called last 2 decades of so called upgrades adding injured, backups and depth, I'm talking about Grade A starter material and spend the money here). We can get by offensively with what we have RB TE Wr's for now

Then evaluate QB play with who we have or bring in and go from there...we're not one season away. But major OL upgrade (critically needed) will speed up the process immensely and actually give us a better read on just what we have and what we truly need...
Coaching staff should also be looked at ....cause this stuff we are going through is high school level stuff, not NFL..jmo again

 

If you are going for a top draft choice QB then you have to send a ton of draft picks away to get the chance to get him. So you destroy your chances of building this year, and most likely next year, and now you have 2 QBs on the team that both need more talent around them to do anything. You aren't going to get to trade a guy away at a premium cause every other team knows that you are saddled with 2 QBs taking a large chunk of salary, and if your starting QB is beat out by a rookie, that will actually hurt his value on the market. If your rookie doesn't beat out your much maligned starter, then nobody is going to offer anything of value for him, cause the ever present draft bust label will be looming.

If you are talking about taking a QB that drops to you in the top couple of rounds, then you are going with the before mentioned half measure. you are potentially loosing the chance at someone that fixes a major hole, to grab someone that might not see the field. The only time this approach works is when your FO is killing it year after year. Then you have the ability to throw away a top draft pick here and there, but only if the QB you are taking is someone your FO believes is an actual steal in the draft. New England gets to do this, cause they have Tom Brady and they don't have tons of holes from decades of bad FO decisions. Tom Brady gives them the excuse of why the rookie QB never beat out the starter, and the solid off-seasons mean they aren't constantly playing catch up every year. So their back up QBs are constantly being traded away for value.

We are on the other side of the spectrum. We NEED to hit on nearly every rd 1-3 draft selection, and still need to get lucky with 1 or 2 later rd draft picks. if we can do that a few years in a row, we can start looking at what teams like New England are doing.

Lastly if you want to take a flyer on a late round developmental QB, I'm always fine with that. IF you strike gold here, you are pretty much sitting pretty for the next decade.

The hope is that the organization has the right people in charge that know what they are looking at. If they don't think Ryan can do it, trade him early when his value really is at a premium and work out your plan on the next QB. However, if they think Ryan is a good to great QB then they need to build around him, and we don't have the draft choices to throw away(not right now at least).

 

Tom Brady doesn't make up for any other positions. He has ALWAYS been surrounded by very good to great players. Always.

 

Ya you know the one that wins us 8 games a year and has constant qb arguments between fans? that system!! LOL

 

At this point I think the Dolphins should Just Tank it all..
i for one don't want them to win another game

 

I kinda want Lamar, on the other hand, i still think he's a bit small for his playstyle and think he won't last.

 

Marino behind this line, maybe. Behind this play calling yes... we saw that with the Kippy Brown offense. Run 1st 2 downs, forced to pick it up on 3rd.