Why are we not allowed to spank our children anymore when they deserve it?...

Yes. We should beat our kids. In fact, I believe we should be allowed to beat the hell out of anyone who does anything we disagree with. If the barista screws up my coffee order, I should be legally entitled to jump over the counter and beat him to within an inch of his life; to teach him a valuable life lesson. Isn't that the point?

Guys? Guys? Where'd everybody go?

You could have saved time and just told us to get off your lawn.

"lmeister3 wrote:

Yes. We should beat our kids. In fact, I believe we should be allowed to beat the hell out of anyone who does anything we disagree with. If the barista screws up my coffee order, I should be legally entitled to jump over the counter and beat him to within an inch of his life; to teach him a valuable life lesson. Isn't that the point?

Guys? Guys? Where'd everybody go?

You always make me laugh. :lol:

Why shouldn't we be allowed to spank our kids when they deserve it?

EDIT: And what do you think of the Baltimore mom that saved her son?

It's called evolving as a society, plain and simple. If a parent actually puts the energy into being a good, dedicated parent, then you'll never have to spank the hell out of your kid. People who feel like they have to smack their kid around are typically crappy parents that are overcompensating for being a bad parent. Having said that, there are attention getters, smack in the butt, that can be effective.

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

It's called evolving as a society, plain and simple. If a parent actually puts the energy into being a good, dedicated parent, then you'll never have to spank the hell out of your kid. People who feel like they have to smack their kid around are typically crappy parents that are overcompensating for being a bad parent. Having said that, there are attention getters, smack in the butt, that can be effective.

Yep. I don't believe an adult cannot come up with a nonviolent punishment worse than spanking. Teaching that hitting is appropriate for anything but defense, or mutually agreed upon play, doesn't seem like a good idea. Particularly with young children.

How wierd is it that we beat our kids, but cannot beat murders and rapists. When we put someone to death, legally it has to be as painless as possible. We cannot spank a serial killer as punishment.

Full disclosure: I am not a parent, will not become a parent, do not want to be a parent.

Also, I wonder if similar conversations happened when things like "the rule of thumb" still applied regarding wives.

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

It's called evolving as a society, plain and simple. If a parent actually puts the energy into being a good, dedicated parent, then you'll never have to spank the hell out of your kid. People who feel like they have to smack their kid around are typically crappy parents that are overcompensating for being a bad parent. Having said that, there are attention getters, smack in the butt, that can be effective.

Even if the parent is a good dedicated parent theres going to be times the child disobeys. Thats just how it is. My parents were amazing. There were definitely times I didnt listen to what they said or asked. They didnt abuse me. They gave me a smack on the behind told me to put down the video game controller and to go do my damn homework. And guess what? I did. I did it because I didnt like the way that chain of events happened.

I wouldnt support physical violence but to me a smack on the behind when raising a child is a form of discipline. A smack in the head is a form of violence. Theres a big difference. There definitely some that take it too far and some that dont take it far enough in disciplining their kids. Those are mostly the same people who probably shouldnt have kids.

"Two Tacos wrote:

Yep. I don't believe an adult cannot come up with a nonviolent punishment worse than spanking. Teaching that hitting is appropriate for anything but defense, or mutually agreed upon play, doesn't seem like a good idea. Particularly with young children.

How wierd is it that we beat our kids, but cannot beat murders and rapists. When we put someone to death, legally it has to be as painless as possible. We cannot spank a serial killer as punishment.

Full disclosure: I am not a parent, will not become a parent, do not want to be a parent.

Also, I wonder if similar conversations happened when things like "the rule of thumb" still applied regarding wives.

Put me in charge. Ill flip the script on that one in a second. Violence towards people who commit violence should be allowed.

I mean picture a conversation like this:

Me: "Hey Two Tacos, whats goin on man?
You: "Boik, I had a crap day at work bro. My boss had a bug up his behind all day and took it out on me. Wanna grab a beer?"
Me: "We'll grab a beer but first I think I know what will help. Why dont we stop by the prison first where Ill buy you 5 minutes alone with an inmate who murdered a family. Go punch him in the face a few times"
*A few minutes later*
You: "Thanks Boik, you were right. I just pictured my boss's face on that douche. I think I broke his nose. Now I feel better. How about that beer?"

"Boik14 wrote:

Even if the parent is a good dedicated parent theres going to be times the child disobeys. Thats just how it is. My parents were amazing. There were definitely times I didnt listen to what they said or asked. They didnt abuse me. They gave me a smack on the behind told me to put down the video game controller and to go do my damn homework. And guess what? I did. I did it because I didnt like the way that chain of events happened.

I wouldnt support physical violence but to me a smack on the behind when raising a child is a form of discipline. A smack in the head is a form of violence. Theres a big difference. There definitely some that take it too far and some that dont take it far enough in disciplining their kids. Those are mostly the same people who probably shouldnt have kids.

Not according to any credible psychologist or scientist. The psychological and physical developmental mechanisms affected are the same, regardless of the parents intent. The degree of damage done will likely be different (abuse vs. spanking), but the outcome will always result in a negative.

If you hit your kid to take out your anger after verbal admonishments and reason have been ineffective, you've already failed. Corporal punishment should be administered very rarely, to inflict momentary pain but never to injure, and always in cold blood and logically, accompanied by an explanation of the reason for the punishment and the behavior expected. Its purpose is to educate regarding the adverse consequences of inappropriate behavior. I would defend it in any court in the land.

"Boik14 wrote:

Put me in charge. Ill flip the script on that one in a second. Violence towards people who commit violence should be allowed.

I mean picture a conversation like this:

Me: "Hey Two Tacos, whats goin on man?
You: "Boik, I had a crap day at work bro. My boss had a bug up his behind all day and took it out on me. Wanna grab a beer?"
Me: "We'll grab a beer but first I think I know what will help. Why dont we stop by the prison first where Ill buy you 5 minutes alone with an inmate who murdered a family. Go punch him in the face a few times"
*A few minutes later*
You: "Thanks Boik, you were right. I just pictured my boss's face on that douche. I think I broke his nose. Now I feel better. How about that beer?"

Well, that got dark in a hurry

"Boik14 wrote:

Put me in charge. Ill flip the script on that one in a second. Violence towards people who commit violence should be allowed.

I mean picture a conversation like this:

Me: "Hey Two Tacos, whats goin on man?
You: "Boik, I had a crap day at work bro. My boss had a bug up his behind all day and took it out on me. Wanna grab a beer?"
Me: "We'll grab a beer but first I think I know what will help. Why dont we stop by the prison first where Ill buy you 5 minutes alone with an inmate who murdered a family. Go punch him in the face a few times"
*A few minutes later*
You: "Thanks Boik, you were right. I just pictured my boss's face on that douche. I think I broke his nose. Now I feel better. How about that beer?"

I get the spirit of your reply, but honestly, I hope I'm never someone who would get any sort of catharsis from beating another human. Excepting sparring, rolling, etc...

Bottom line, yes, parents should be allowed to spank their child. Whether it's effective, or the right thing to do, or tells of how ineffective you are as a parent is a different discussion. I just threaten to take away their most prized possession. Their ipad or iphone. Whether that is the "right" thing to do... probably open for interpretation again.

Complex, context-based question based on many layers reduced to simple Yes-No.

If I am forced to evaluate this as a total generalization that will be applied to ALL situations I HAVE to say NO it's not okay, because of the evils that will occur under it's umbrella.

If we can go case-by-case and really examine the definitions of 'beat' and 'deserve' to get clarity, then maybe we can have a deeper discussion.

For now, just spank your girlfriend when she doesn't bring you your Busch-Lite in the camo-can after a hard day of watching Funny Car Racing.

"Paul 13 wrote:

Bottom line, yes, parents should be allowed to spank their child. Whether it's effective, or the right thing to do, or tells of how ineffective you are as a parent is a different discussion. I just threaten to take away their most prized possession. Their ipad or iphone. Whether that is the "right" thing to do... probably open for interpretation again.

How can you definitively say yes, spanking should be allowed, when in the very next sentence you question the effectiveness and morality of spanking?

BPK wrote:

Complex, context-based question based on many layers reduced to simple Yes-No.

It isn't a complex question. Physical force against a child has long term negative consequences in regards to their development. There's no credible research in the world that would suggest otherwise. Hitting kids is bad for them, regardless of whether the intention was designed to teach.

"Two Tacos wrote:

I get the spirit of your reply, but honestly, I hope I'm never someone who would get any sort of catharsis from beating another human. Excepting sparring, rolling, etc...

Different strokes for different folks. I dont get any kicks out of it but some people do need a good asskicking. May as well take a negative and make it in to something positive.

"Clark Kent wrote:

Not according to any credible psychologist or scientist. The psychological and physical developmental mechanisms affected are the same, regardless of the parents intent. The degree of damage done will likely be different (abuse vs. spanking), but the outcome will always result in a negative.

Youre talking about violence against children. Spanking a child as a form of discipline is not a violent reaction in my opinion. It tells a child that what they did is not ok in that particular circumstance. It shouldnt be used every time. It should be used when a child has been told numerous times to stop doing or saying a particular thing and after all other options have been exhausted. It should not be done in anger or as a threat, but in my opinion it should be done to elicit a certain response or emotion from the child. You want the child to be sorry about whatever they did or said and you want to stop the reaction. Of course the reaction will be negative...you just disciplined a child to stop doing something they thought was funny or cool.

Spanking or hitting children is the easy solution. Anytime its taken, it is based on either frustration or lack of knowing what else to do or lack of will power to try anything else.

Hitting someone you love makes no sense and ultimately, is for the benefit of the punisher not the punishee.

i also don't wanna hear from anyone how its hard for them to do it, if they are defending its practice. If it was hard to do and physically hurt your child, then you'd find another solution. I firmly believe, anyone who spanks their child, enjoys it on some level or another.

Nobody answered about the woman in Baltimore that saved her son. Did she do the right thing?

"CashInFist wrote:

Nobody answered about the woman in Baltimore that saved her son. Did she do the right thing?

Will it affect your decision to date her?

I suspect it will not.

"Bpk wrote:

Will it affect your decision to date her?

I suspect it will not.

I already hit it. That was my son.

"CashInFist wrote:

I already hit it. That was my son.

He needs you.

"Bpk wrote:

He needs you.

The gold "P" on the black hat stands for "Player".

"CashInFist wrote:

The gold "P" on the black hat stands for "Player".

NO.

P-l-a-y-A-H

"Clark Kent wrote:

How can you definitively say yes, spanking should be allowed, when in the very next sentence you question the effectiveness and morality of spanking?

It isn't a complex question. Physical force against a child has long term negative consequences in regards to their development. There's no credible research in the world that would suggest otherwise. Hitting kids is bad for them, regardless of whether the intention was designed to teach.

Rights as a parent. Nobody should be able to legislate or dictate that from a parent. Now schools with headmasters (private school where i grew up) could punish a child that way. Im not sure i would want anyone else doing that to my kids. But again as a parent.... Whats the old Cosby line? I brought u into this world and i can take u out of it!! :lol:

Btw. Curious those that have voted. Who of those has children actually?