Woman Awakens From Surgery to Find Panty-Line Tattoo

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[deleted][deleted]luxury_boxOP
Jul 16, 2008, 12:42 PM

In a lawsuit filed yesterday, a Camden County woman accused her orthopedic surgeon of "rubbing a temporary tattoo of a red rose" on her belly while she was under anesthesia.

The patient discovered the tattoo below the panty line the next morning, when her husband was helping her get dressed to go home after the operation for a herniated disc, her attorney, Gregg A. Shivers, said in a phone interview yesterday.

The doctor's attorney, Agre, who had seen neither the board complaint nor the lawsuit, said the doctor had "never been accused of anything."

"Most of the patients are delighted by Dr. Kirshner's sense of humor," he said, adding that the 51-year-old surgeon who lives in Lumberton and did his medical training at Hahnemann University Hospital in Philadelphia is "renowned as a jovial guy and regarded as a doctor who has terrific relations with his patients and with his staff."

"He vigorously denies that any action of his was intended to offend the patient," Agre said, noting that the marks the surgeon has left on his patients "are like children's tattoos. Kids put them on themselves and they wash right off."

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080716_Surgeon_sued_for_giving_anesthetized_patient_temporary_tattoo.html

ckparrotheadckparrotheadmoderator
Jul 16, 2008, 12:54 PM

Probably has way more to do with where the tattoo was placed than anything else. Below the panty line, that's just not a smart idea. Actually this strikes me as a "What do you get when you put two idiots together? A lawsuit." type of situation.

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WharfRatWharfRatNew Member
Jul 16, 2008, 01:00 PM

LMAO!!! Only in New Jersey!
Lumberton is about 15 minutes away from me...

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gafinfangafinfansubscriber
Jul 16, 2008, 03:51 PM

Another one of those mindless "I burnt myself because the coffee is hot" things. Did the woman not know the Dr.? If so she must have known that he was a joker. What ARE we coming to?


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FinSaneFinSaneforum_veteran
Jul 16, 2008, 03:53 PM

Wasnt meeeeee. :)

ALalen1New Member
Jul 16, 2008, 04:52 PM

Why would the doctor do that when he knows he would get in trouble for it? Common sense, use it people.

texanphinatictexanphinaticforum_veteran
Jul 16, 2008, 05:47 PM

Even for a "joker" this is rather iffy. A temp. tattoo is one thing, below the panty line is going into dangerous territory, familiar or not. Thats not something any patient would feel comfortable with imo and I dont blame her for being a little upset.
There are perverts who are priests, teachers, social workers etc, why not a doctor? If he was just trying to be funny or whatever, he needs to sharpen up his common sense, doing what he did is just begging for trouble.

DonShula84DonShula84moderator
Jul 16, 2008, 05:51 PM

"gafinfan wrote:

Another one of those mindless "I burnt myself because the coffee is hot" things. Did the woman not know the Dr.? If so she must have known that he was a joker. What ARE we coming to?

One should clearly know that coffee is hot. I'm not sure why one should know that the doctor would put a fake tattoo of a rose on your panty-line while knocked out though; even if he is known for having a sense of humor.

Dol-Fan DupreeDol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran
Jul 16, 2008, 05:51 PM

"ckparrothead wrote:

Probably has way more to do with where the tattoo was placed than anything else. Below the panty line, that's just not a smart idea. Actually this strikes me as a "What do you get when you put two idiots together? A lawsuit." type of situation.

He is a doctor. He is cutting her.

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Dol-Fan DupreeDol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran
Jul 16, 2008, 05:52 PM

"DonShula84 wrote:

One should clearly know that coffee is hot. I'm not sure why one should know that the doctor would put a fake tattoo of a rose on your panty-line while knocked out though, even if he known for having a sense of humor.

That is a stupid lawsuit. I could see if it wasn't temporary or totally harmless.

It might be yelling worthy. Lawsuit worthy, it is a waste of everyone's time.

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DonShula84DonShula84moderator
Jul 16, 2008, 05:56 PM

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

That is a stupid lawsuit. I could see if it wasn't temporary or totally harmless.

It might be yelling worthy. Lawsuit worthy, it is a waste of everyone's time.

It maybe stupid, but I could understand waking up and feeling a bit uncomfortable if not violated by this. We also dont know what the doctors response was when she got about it. If he laughed in her face I'd sue also.

Jt0323Jt0323moderator
Jul 16, 2008, 05:57 PM

"gafinfan wrote:

Another one of those mindless "I burnt myself because the coffee is hot" things. Did the woman not know the Dr.? If so she must have known that he was a joker. What ARE we coming to?

Well if you have Jackie Chiles as a lawyer he can get you a good settlement, if you listen to him and dont put the balm on you can get more than free coffee for life!

jason8erjason8erluxury_box
Jul 16, 2008, 06:02 PM

Well, she wasn't wearing panties during the surgery. And, if it was L5, which is the most common site, the incision could have been below the "panty line" anyway. Sounds like a great physician, but yeah, when you get that prefix (target) in front of your name, you better stick to the standard or care.

quelonioquelonioNew Member
Jul 16, 2008, 06:16 PM

like honestly, how would any of us feel if we go to the dr for an appendix removal and when we wake up the next day there is a fake tattoo of Donald duck on our hip... I can tell you I would feel violated.


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PaganPaganforum_veteran
Jul 16, 2008, 06:25 PM

I know I'm in the minority but I'd laugh my ass off if that happened to me and I knew the doctor.

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DonShula84DonShula84moderator
Jul 16, 2008, 06:28 PM

"Pagan wrote:

I know I'm in the minority but I'd laugh my ass off if that happened to me and I knew the doctor.

What if you didnt know the doctor?

MuckMuckretired_admin
Jul 16, 2008, 07:05 PM

"quelonio wrote:

like honestly, how would any of us feel if we go to the dr for an appendix removal and when we wake up the next day there is a fake tattoo of Donald duck on our hip... I can tell you I would feel violated.

If he'd have done that to my sister, I'm probably going down there to knock the guy out.

Rose below the panty line? Up front?

"We're assuming that it would have to have happened after surgery," he said, "because during surgery she would be on her stomach."

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DonShula84DonShula84moderator
Jul 16, 2008, 07:08 PM

Why didnt he put the tattoo on her arm, or shoulder? The placement of it makes it creepy and puts it out of the realm of a joke, and into the realm of offensive imo.

Dol-Fan DupreeDol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran
Jul 16, 2008, 07:10 PM

"quelonio wrote:

like honestly, how would any of us feel if we go to the dr for an appendix removal and when we wake up the next day there is a fake tattoo of Donald duck on our hip... I can tell you I would feel violated.

I can tell you I wouldn't feel violated.

This is a stuipd lawsuit and a waste of everyone's time.

Now if he raped her or sewed his initials on her, then yes. Lawsuit.

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Dol-Fan DupreeDol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran
Jul 16, 2008, 07:10 PM

"DonShula84 wrote:

Why didnt he put the tattoo on her arm, or shoulder? The placement of it makes it creepy and puts it out of the realm of a joke, and into the realm of offensive imo.

So it makes it creepy if he cuts her below the pantie line?

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dolphan117dolphan117luxury_box
Jul 16, 2008, 07:13 PM

Dude deserves to get sued IMO, strictly because of placement. Just because you are a doctor doesn't mean you have any more right to go down their then anyone else unless its medically necessary. Which clearly this was not.

I find it hard to believe that in this day and age a doctor would be that dumb.

DonShula84DonShula84moderator
Jul 16, 2008, 07:16 PM

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

So it makes it creepy if he cuts her below the pantie line?

If he does anything below the pantie line that isnt part of the precedure? It's absolutely creepy. He got permission to go below the pantie line for a specific job, he took liberties once he was down there. That's creepy.

dolphan117dolphan117luxury_box
Jul 16, 2008, 07:16 PM

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

I can tell you I wouldn't feel violated.

This is a stuipd lawsuit and a waste of everyone's time.

Now if he raped her or sewed his initials on her, then yes. Lawsuit.

So if your wife came home from surgery that was performed while laying on her stomach and you found a tat down front you would have no problem with it?

And not only have no problem with it but feel no one should and that any doctor should be able to do the same any time they want? Because if this suit is frivolous that's essentially what you are saying, that this is fine behaviour and should not be grounds for any kind of legal action.

dolphan117dolphan117luxury_box
Jul 16, 2008, 07:22 PM

That said I find the idea of surgery patients waking up with temp tattoos absolutely hysterical.

ALalen1New Member
Jul 16, 2008, 07:23 PM

:lol: ^

You seemed so serious and then the comment above lol. Nice work dolphan.

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