Drew Brees has shown consistent improvement throughout his whole career. I think he would be successful in almost any situation he would have been put into.

 

Yes, but then Nick Saban would probably still be coaching us into mediocrity year in and year out.

 

Ask Pennington how our Oline protects surgically repaired shoulders and you'll get your answer.

 

Yes. Anybody saying otherwise is just trying to make themselves feel better. New Orleans were perennial losers until Brees went there. The suggestions that he couldn't have won in Miami is completely ridiculous.

 

If the questions was COULD he....yes, most likely.

Since its WOULD he, then the only accurate answer is No way to know!!!!!

 

Drew Brees is one of the best QBs in the game. The Saints are successful because of what a good QB he is, not the other way around. Impossible to know if he would have won a superbowl here, but he would have been successful. He's too good not to have been.

 

If Brees would have come to Miami they may still have Saban here.If things would have been a success Nicky might have been happy winning here and not so eager to go back to college ball.

 

Mercy, mercy!! :jump:

 

I think Brees would have been successful here, but maybe not to the same extreme. I think he has a perfect fit with Sean Peyton and that maximizes things. I think that here, Saban would have handed things over to Brees, but it would have been a more run based, defense centric attack so Brees' numbers would have been constrained. Now if you're talking about being a SB contender then yes, he could have been as successful here. We at least would be in the conversation. But I don't think he would have had the same uber stats here.

 

Yes. The Saints won one playoff game pre-Brees/Payton in their entire history. 1 playoff game from 1967-2005. [That worries me...we all assume it has to happen for the Dolphins soon, but who knows, it could be another 10 years or more before we even win one playoff game....I hope not. Bengals have been waiting since 1990]

Now they've won 5 and a super bowl. You don't break records like he has if you don't have talent. Would Marques Colston be the same WR without Brees? They went from 3-13 to the nfc championship game, and then a super bowl a few years later.

People will come and say this is beating a dead horse, but it will always come up until the Dolphins make a super bowl or find a real franchise QB. And imagine if the Falcons win today? The same thing will pop up for Matt Ryan.

 

Of course he would have.

Some of you need to stop trying to sugarcoat the truth.
As has been par for the course over the last couple decades we screwed up and made a horrible decision.
End of story.

Brees' game has elevated the Saints team not the other way around.
The Dolphins would in an entirely different place right now had we made the right decision.

 

LMAO....

These two should not be compared in any way.
If you watch Brees he's quite adept at moving in the pocket away from pressure even if he gets it.
Pennington was a sloth and needed above avg. protection to make anything happen.

Not to mention that our OL that year got excessive heat for their performance.
I say that because teams knew about Culpepper's knee and that he was an awful QB if needed to stay in the pocket and make reads.
They loaded the lines and blitzed us incessantly because of this.
If Brees had been here that would not at all have happened.

 

Not to mention we'd have a different O-Line and Parcells would never have been here in the first place.

O-Line is important, but the truly elite QBs can overcome some injuries to it and/or poor play from it, see: Aaron Rodgers.

 

If Brees had been forced to play with the receivers the Dolphins have had over the last six years, and behind the offensive line of the Dolphins over those same years, it is unlikely he would have had the same success he has had with the Saints.

Brees is one of the top QB's in the NFL today, but he has also been fortunate to work with a head coach who understands how to run an effective offense in the NFL. The Saints are loaded with play makers on offense and they have an offensive line which gives up very few sacks.

Based on the history of Ireland as the GM of the Dolphins. I just don't see him understanding the need to build an offense around a top tier QB and numerous play makers. He also has done a terrible job of building a solid offensive line since he came here four years ago.

Just like many Dolphin fans, I don't have any love loss for Nick Saban, but it was not Saban's decision to take Culpepper over Brees. In fact Saban's first choice was Brees as the new QB of the Dolphins. It was the medical staff of the Dolphins at the time who advised Saban that Brees was a serious medical risk because of the recent surgery Brees had on his shoulder. It was because of the advise of the medical team of the Dolphins that the Dolphins signed Culpepper and not Brees.

 

Doesn't having a true threat at QB make those average skill players better?

 

Didn't Saban ultimately want Brees? Wasn't it Huizenga that overruled Saban, in favor of what the doctors were saying? Wasn't that one of the major reasons Saban quit and went back to college? Serious question... I thought that came out recently.

 

I think the Dolphins would have had a better record over the last six years if Brees had been the QB in Miami. I am just looking at the talent the Dolphins have had on their offense, compared to the talent on the Saints offense over this same period. Also the Saints head coach, Peyton, is far more offensive minded than Saban or Sparano. I hate to even mention Cameron, because even Brees couldn't have done enough to make him a successful head coach.

Overall I feel the Dolphins would have been a better team with Brees as the QB, but if he had been forced to work with the same coaches and the same players the Dolphins have had over this period, I don't think he would have had the same success he has had in New Orleans. Of course if Brees had come to the Dolphins, it is very likely the team today would look much different and that Saban may still be the Dolphins HC today.

 

I have also read and heard this same thing on more then one occasion.

 

I've never seen that. What I have seen was Drew Brees saying that he wanted to go play for a coach who would believe in him and that he got no such vibe from Nick Saban.

 

That's what I recall. It also seemed that more than half the fan base wanted Culpepper over Brees. Of course, most will say they knew Brees was the right one all along and Saban is just an idiot...:lol:

 

Saban is an idiot. He was evaluating two QBs and completely took the human element out of his evaluation.

 

No an article came out recently from Peter King saying that Huizenga wanted Brees, and he listened to the "football guys." Here:
Finally, just one more reason to kvetch this morning if you're a Dolphins fan.
In mid-March 2006, the Miami Dolphins were trying to decide between trading for quarterback Daunte Culpepper with Minnesota or signing free agent quarterback Drew Brees of the Chargers. One problem: Brees was in the early stages of rehabbing after major shoulder surgery, an operation that left in doubt whether he'd be near 100 percent for the start of the 2006 season. Brees had a generous (all things considered) offer from New Orleans of six years and $60 million, which seemed a little risky considering the surgery.
On the night Miami had to decide which way to go, owner Wayne Huizenga was out to dinner with a friend in Palm City, Fla., not far from his personal golf club, The Floridian. "I want them to sign Brees,'' Huizenga said at one point. "They want Culpepper.'' He said coach Nick Saban and the Dolphins' football people were worried about Brees' shoulder. Huizenga got a call on his cell phone and walked outside.

When he came back inside the restaurant, Huizenga said his football people were insistent that Culpepper, for reasons monetary and football and health, was a better choice than Brees. "I told them, they're the football guys, not me,'' said Huizenga. But the owner repeated that if it were up to him, he'd have signed Brees.
Miami is 38-58 since, with zero playoff wins; the Dolphins will have their fifth head coach since that night (including interim boss Todd Bowles) sometime in the next month. New Orleans is 62-34, with a Super Bowl win, with one coach.
Amazing how much damage one shortsighted decision can do to an organization.

 

What does "took the human element out" even mean?

 

Absolutely not.... The scheme here is not the wide open, aggressive scheme he runs in NO. He'd be our QB, most likely (unless the OLs we had here let him get killed, which would have been very likely). No way he's looked at in the same light if he'd come here....

 

Ancient history, folks...

 

From what I heard, Brees was in the building, virtually a pen in his hand and looking for a contract to sign, when he was shocked by the Dolphins telling him they were going with Culpepper. He thought it was a perfect fit, and he was a Dolphin already.

I wish I could find a link to support that. I want to say it was an article or two from earlier in 2011, during the lockout.

 

Thanks! So it was the other way around. I must be getting old. :sad:

 

Alabama

 

Does anyone ever come here and play at an elite level? We're a cursed team, its hard to imagine Drew Brees having any kind of success here, Miami is where careers go to die...then get reborn again when they sign elsewhere.

 

Talks of a cursed franchise & dwelling on the past is foolishness. This has simply been an organization that has been managed badly but not for lack of trying to do the right thing. Of course the road to hell is paved with good intentions and thus brought us to where we are today.

 

Well, hold on a second here. Sean Payton has alot to do with Brees' success in NO as well. Not to take anything away from Drew, he's outstanding, but their HC has alot to do with the way that team performs as well. It's the perfect situation for a QB. Brees wouldn't have had that here. At the time, we really didnt have any playmakers. nor a run game for that matter. Not saying he couldn't have won, but I dont think it's "completely ridiculous" to think he woudlnt have.

 

Hell.