Now if one watched the game, the ball clearly hit the ground on the attempted 4th down conversion to effectively end the game.
But the NFL Stat Monkeys are not concerned with actual facts, they simply look at the stat line and add it to the column.
Stat Monkeys are pathetic.
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Wait...HOW can they change that to an INT? That is ludicrous. The NFL is horrible.
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A Stat Monkey is not concerned with what actually happened, they simply look at Stat lines and use them as "facts" when if you actually watch the games, that is not what happened.
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I don't think it's being a stat monkey to change an incomplete pass to an interception. It's being blind. A stat monkey will use the newly changed into stat, and the lower QB rating to argue that Henne played poorly.
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The replay booth did not review the play because it was fourth down anyway, so either Int or Incomplete, the ball was still going to be turned over.
But Stat Monkey doesn't care about such things.Ophinerated likes this. -
Exactly, and that is just a portion of some of the B$ Stat Monkeys trot out to try and prove one thing or another regardless of how things actually went out on the field.
The worst is one long run by a Running Back, for example Chris Johnson was stuffed most of the evening by the Jags, the game was out of hand, like 23-3 in the 4th qtr with 2:30 to go, CJ breaks out a 45 yd TD run, makes it over 100 yds, and "look CJ had another 100 yd game! He is a dominant running back".
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Discount as in take it away from CJ's performance?
No, he did make the play, however the play was essentially meaningless and is probative of nothing having to do with CJ's performance, sort of like USC running up a score when they were great, yeah maybe Joe Flutzenutz had 8 TD's on the season, but 5 came against UTEP.
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I know what you're saying. I used to think the same thing but later changed my opinion.
Johnson still broke the run, worked for it and got the yards. It's not really a "wow he's dominant" as it is a "damn, he still got his numbers."hugoguzman likes this. -
What if he had that 45 yard run in the first quarter and then had 3YPC from then on out?Steve-Mo, hugoguzman and alen1 like this.
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But it wasn't even a interception
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On the INT - it's almost like when the QB chucks a hail mary into the enzone at the end of the half and it gets intercepted. It goes on his stat line, but it isn't a "bad" interception (or in Henne's case, an interception at all).
On the rushing example, let's say Team A has stuffed the run the entire game and had held Team B to 40yards on the ground. Late in the 4th quarter, Team B fakes a punt from their own 10 and the punter runs it 90 yards for a touchdown. Anyone not familiar with the game will look at the stats and say, "Team B ran the ball well. They rushed for 130 yards." But in reality, Team A shut down the run. Make sense?Hellion, texasPHINSfan, and 3 others like this. -
But the ball clearly hit the ground, that's not a interception.
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If the punter runs it for 90 yards, it will be indicated in the box score. Obviously you're not going to sit there and take every game stats by just looking at total yardage. You look at the distribution.hugoguzman likes this.
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Which is why there are Lies, Damn Lies, then Statistics, the numbers will say what they say, the real world fact, away from Fantasy Football, is quite different.
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To Stat Monkey it is, the scorebook says so.:lol:
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There are more than a few stat monkeys here that base their arguments on what they read rather than what they watch. If they watch at all.
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I know it says it was changed but during the game it was called an interception and not sure but believe the ball was spotted at that spot, and not where the line of scrimmage was since it was a turnover on downs. So I guess they had listed it incomplete and then saw what it was called on the field? Obviously it wasn't an interception but since it didn't matter either way I guess they didn't care to review it. Was hoping they would because it's unfair to Henne but oh well.
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Perfect example. Someone said that the Jets ran the ball well against Miami and if you look at the stats, they rushed for 146 yards. Wow, right? But Brad Smith ran for 41 yards on 3 carries out of the Wildcat. LT had one run for 21 yards and one for 18 yards. So on the other 24 rushing plays, the Jets totaled 66 yards for a whopping 2.75 ypc. Doesn't look so good anymore :lol:
There is more to the game than stats. They only tell part of the story.baboo72 likes this. -
Which even if that is the proper play to call at the end of either half, still counts the same as throwing an Int with 5 minutes to go and the game in the balance.
The problem is Stats assume a consistency, for example "it is ALWAYS a bad play to throw an interception" when the fact is, no that is not true some passes are thrown with little chance to be completed but the Game Situation demands they be thrown.
Yep, or to open a game, the Qb hits the Rb on a screen pass, they take it 99 yds, 1 completion for 99 yds, if the Qb then completes 10 more passes for 5 yds and the Defense just stymies the offense, the stat line:
11 completions for 150 yds, wow almost 15 yds per pass play!
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Not when you are looking at rushing yards allowed by the defense and figuring it into their rank.
How about the team that is so bad against the pass that no one even runs on them? A team like that looks like they are monsters against the run.Steve-Mo likes this. -
Or points allowed by the Special Teams unit going onto the Defenses Stats for "points allowed"?
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What is a stat monkey and how does it work? Do they rewatch the game to determine the stats.
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What's the QBs YPA?
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Oh no, Stat Monkey does not rewatch any game, they read the Stat Lines with calculator in hand.
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Hugo G, love ya man, but you are the King Kong of Stat Monkery....:tongue2:
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I may be the King Kong of stat monkery but you are the donkey kong of misunderstanding/interpreting statistics theory.
If you find a stat that presents the wrong picture (doesn't match up with reality) then:
a) you must break down stats at a more granular level
b) gather more data to make data statistically relevant to account for outliers
c) You can't use an outlier as proof that statistics don't tell the whole picture
d) You can't resort to dogma and rhetoric like "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics"
e) The entire universe conforms to statistics/probability (both at the quantum and cosmological level)
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Then this is yet another bad call during the game by these S#!THOLE refs!! Wouldn't this qualify as a mandatory reviewable play within the last 2 minutes?
After the play I feared this would happen and was hoping Miami would challenge it just to save Henne's a$$ from unnecessary criticism from ignorant stat monkeys who would misinterpret his performance.
It has zero reflexion on the game or it's outcome, so they should change it back.
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The play wasn't reviewed because the outcome was irrelevant, or so I'd guess, it was a 4th down incomplete pass, so whether Harrison intercepted the ball wasn't looked at as Henne's stats have no bearing on the outcome of the game.
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Er, no, here is why, Statistics assume to much, a int on a hail mary pass will go down as a check mark against the Qb because Qb's are not supposed to throw an Interception, now it could be possible, but will not happen, to break out Int's thrown in such situations.
But Stat Monkeys do not believe in such nuances.
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