Zeitgeist, The Movie

My son has been trying to get me to watch it but he also is a believer in the Twin Tower conspiracy and in Michael Moore films .

I am not big on conspiracy theories but I may see it just to refute his arguments

"CrunchTime wrote:

My son has been trying to get me to watch it but he also is a believer in the Twin Tower conspiracy and in Michael Moore films .

I am not big on conspiracy theories but I may see it just to refute his arguments

There is quite a large part of this movie dedicated to 9/11 but, it's also so much more than that.

Ive seen it. Its a good documentary, very well done. It ties up alot of conspiracy theories, ranging from Christianity's origin, to the Fed Reserve, to 9/11, to Iraq, and The New World Order. Like most flicks like these, you have to watch with an open mind, but a skeptical one nonetheless. Take it all with a grain of salt. Its just one perspective on history, and like most interpretations of the past, its full of holes as well.

Sorry, couching 9-11 conspiracy theories in religious trappings doesn't make them any less ridiculous, baseless and just plain offensive.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Sorry, couching 9-11 conspiracy theories in religious trappings doesn't make them any less ridiculous, baseless and just plain offensive.

why would it be offensive?

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

why would it be offensive?

For a number of reasons. First off, it's most often thinly-disguised anti-American propoganda. Why do you think so many people in Arab countries are fond of 9-11 conspiracies?
Second, it spits in the face of people who were there and saw exactly what happened, in the face of experts who've independently confirmed what happened, in the face of anyone with the common sense to understand why nearly all the conspiracy theories are patently ridiculous and in the face of our men and women in uniform who risked their lives in Afghanistan fighting the people actually responsible for the attacks.
And finally, because the deluded, self-absorbed, self-proclaimed illuminati who push these theories mostly do it so they can feel superior to the "sheeple."

"Rick 1966 wrote:

For a number of reasons. First off, it's most often thinly-disguised anti-American propoganda. Why do you think so many people in Arab countries are fond of 9-11 conspiracies?
Second, it spits in the face of people who were there and saw exactly what happened, in the face of experts who've independently confirmed what happened, in the face of anyone with the common sense to understand why nearly all the conspiracy theories are patently ridiculous and in the face of our men and women in uniform who risked their lives in Afghanistan fighting the people actually responsible for the attacks.
And finally, because the deluded, self-absorbed, self-proclaimed illuminati who push these theories mostly do it so they can feel superior to the "sheeple."

that is a lot of reasons to choose to be offended

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

that is a lot of reasons to choose to be offended

A lot of good reasons. If you don't choose to be offended by 9-11 conspiracy theorists, you shouldn't choose to be offended by Holocaust deniers either.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

A lot of good reasons. If you don't choose to be offended by 9-11 conspiracy theorists, you shouldn't choose to be offended by Holocaust deniers either.

why is that? Might as well say, If you choose to not be offended by people who do not follow jesus then you shouldn't be offended by people who do not follow mohommed.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

why is that? Might as well say, If you choose to not be offended by people who do not follow jesus then you shouldn't be offended by people who do not follow mohommed.

Huh? I WOULD say that...I am obviously not offended by unbelievers since I am one myself.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

Huh? I WOULD say that...I am obviously not offended by unbelievers since I am one myself.

You can be a 9/11 conspiricy theorist and believe that the hollocausts happened

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

You can be a 9/11 conspiricy theorist and believe that the hollocausts happened

You can also, apparently, miss my point entirely.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

You can also, apparently, miss my point entirely.

I totally did.

Wish i had my comp hooked up to my tv...Might have to load this up on my roommates comp/tv so I can sit back and pay attention.

"FinSane wrote:

Ive seen it. Its a good documentary, very well done. It ties up alot of conspiracy theories, ranging from Christianity's origin, to the Fed Reserve, to 9/11, to Iraq, and The New World Order. Like most flicks like these, you have to watch with an open mind, but a skeptical one nonetheless. Take it all with a grain of salt. Its just one perspective on history, and like most interpretations of the past, its full of holes as well.

While there are holes, because obviously nothing can be proven, it also punches rather large holes in what were told to be the truth and that , IMO, condemns the "truth" as much as anyone wants to condemn this movie. Saying there are holes or that it's offensive isn't an argument against specific points and questions. It's a cop out, IMO.

It's exactly the response most people are conditioned to make. As a matter of fact there are labels you're encouraged to put on everyone who goes against the "norm" or the so called truth.

Atheist are the devil. Muslims are the enemy. People who use drugs have no credibility. People who question authority are unpatriotic. People who don't swallow everything they're told to swallow are conspiracy theorists, or more commonly referred to as nut cases.....and that's the way people running the show want it to be. They don't want to encourage free thinking and they don't want people to take seriously, anyone who opposes them. So they throw a derogatory label on "the enemies" so there's no confusion.

They count on the holes to keep the blind in the dark.

I'll watch it. I have a hard time watching/reading any thing relating to consipiracies. I didn't see that movie with tom hanks for that reason lol. Just seems misleading most of the time to me.........

"inFINSible wrote:

Atheist are the devil. Muslims are the enemy. People who use drugs have no credibility. People who question authority are unpatriotic. people who don't swallow everything they're to0ld to swallow are conspiracy theorists, or more commonly referred to as nut cases.....and that's the way people running the show want it to be.

so you are implying that if someone does not take the movie as a critical piece of film they are sheep and tools of the true power? Are you not doing the same as those you wish to condemn?

"inFINSible wrote:

While there are holes, because obviously nothing can be proven, it also punches rather large holes in what were told to be the truth and that , IMO, condemns the "truth" as much as anyone wants to condemn this movie.

No, actually what it condemns is people who believe what they've seen in that movie without checking the facts.

First twenty minutes with the Zodiac and astrological interpretation of the birth of Jesus is really interesting.

Just watched the entire film, and I must say it's some very powerful stuff. You're going to believe what you want to believe, and I'll just leave it at that. Thanks for posting Infins.

"In_Flames wrote:

Just watched the entire film, and I must say it's some very powerful stuff. You're going to believe what you want to believe, and I'll just leave it at that.

No, I am going to believe that for which there is tangible, verifiable evidence.
YMMV.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

so you are implying that if someone does not take the movie as a critical piece of film they are sheep and tools of the true power? Are you not doing the same as those you wish to condemn?

No not at all, I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. Why? Because I don't know. I'm condemning the people who think they do know because there is no decisive proof one way or the other.

"inFINSible wrote:

No not at all, I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. Why? Because I don't know. I'm condemning the people who think they do know.

It is a knowable thing whether the 9-11 attacks were pulled off by Al Quaeda terrorists or not. If you think it is not, you need to do further research and not among the Troofers.

"In_Flames wrote:

Just watched the entire film, and I must say it's some very powerful stuff. You're going to believe what you want to believe, and I'll just leave it at that. Thanks for posting Infins.

It's a shame that you have to "just leave it at that".

I know as I'm typing my replies in this thread I'm also marginalizing myself and having my opinion summarily dismissed simply because it "crazy" not to believe everything you're told.