Dave Toub's 2nd interview as today as well.

 

Unfortunately since Ross became the owner of the Dolphins, settling for the second choice has been become the norm for the Dolphins. Last year Ross tried to hire Harbaugh, but when he was turned down, he settled on retaining Sparano for another season. He made it very clear in the past week that Fisher was his first choice for the Dolphins head coaching position. After what happened with Fisher and Bud Adams in Tennessee, over the Vince Young draft pick, you would have to think that Ross would have understood that Fisher would want a lot of say in the draft picks and free agent signings if he became the head coach of the Dolphins. Yet Ross appeared completely surprised that Fisher would want equal power with Ireland to make decisions on players signed or drafted by the Dolphins.

Because of his complete ignorance of the obvious, Ross is now once against left having to take his second choice as a head coach. In fact it might even be his third or fourth choice since we have no way of knowing if he attempted to interview Cowher or John Gruden.

Say what you want about the men that Wayne Huizenga hired to run the Dolphins while he was the owner. The fact is that he NEVER settled for anything but the one man he wanted for the job. Huizenga also understood when the man he hired wasn't the right man and he was willing to fire him immediately, as he did Cam Cameron after only one year as the Dolphins head coach. For all the negatives Huizenga might have had as the majority owner of the Dolphins, I have no doubt that if he were still the owner of the Dolphins and he wanted to hire Fisher, Fisher would be the head coach of the Dolphins right now. Of course Huizenga would also have been smart enough to have fired Ireland by now. In fact I think he would have fired both Sparano and Ireland after the 2010 season.

 

Say what you want about Ross, but it was a smart move not giving in to Fishers demands for power to veto anything Ireland did. Ireland is the GM and Fisher is the coach, handle the team your'e givin and Ireland will give you the proper team. I wasn't even that interested in Fisher and after hearing he wanted the veto I was definitely not interested in him.

 

LOL at Huizenga willing to immediately fire a guy that wasn't good enough. Did the Dave Wannstedt era slip your mind? He held onto that schmuck for three years too long.

 

Jw3102 just spouts random ridiculousness. Glad we didn't get Fisher.

 

Atlanta settled for seconds. Stood up at the altar by Parcells.

 

Do you have a linky link? I am sure it won't be a popular hire among the fanbase, but he is the guy that intrigues me most.

 

Sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The fact is that Wannstedt had records of 11-5, 9-7, and 10-6 in the three years you are talking about. I was never a big fan of Wannstedt, but I don't see many owners firing coaches after they have gone 30-18 over the three year period you are referring to. The fact is that Huizenga had no problem getting rid of Wannstedt during the one season the team played poorly during the early part of the season.

So in response to your question, no I didn't forget about the Wannstedt era. I saw an owner who took action to get rid of the head coach once the team appeared headed in the wrong direction on the field. Ross is the owner which waited too long to get rid of Sparano and he has decided to keep Ireland, even though the team has been going in the wrong direction for three years now.

 

As they say, it takes one to know one. Just because you might not like what I have to say, doesn't mean it's not the truth. The fact is that there are a lot more Dolphin fans who agree with my view of Ireland and Ross than agree with those who think Ross and Ireland are doing a good job. It is just that there are a lot of relatives of Ross and Ireland on this forum. By the way, which one are you related to?

 

WH should have never hired Wrongstedt in the first place. We inherited his sorry *** from JJ. Huizenga, not knowing football, let it happen. Liked WH but any coach could have done well with the defense he inherited. The idiot traded valuable picks to get a running back and brought in a mediocre Qb when he should have went after a franchise Qb. So, instead of pretending you're the one who knows what he is talking about............think first because it was Wrongstedt the sent this franchise into a spiral. Just like he did in Chicago...

 

I am certainly not defending the Wannstedt years. All I pointed out is that Wannstedt was 30-18 in the three years before the Dolphins started out 0-8, and he was released in season five of his coaching tenure with the Dolphins. I am not pretending anything, I am merely pointing out the facts. The fact is also that if the Dolphins were 30-18 over the last three years, Sparano would still be the HC of the Dolphins and Ireland would be considered a freaking genius. Instead the Dolphins are 20-28 over this period of time and we are still stuck with Ireland as the teams GM.

I was never happy with Wannstedt taking over the HC coaching job when JJ left but the reality of the situation is that Wannstedt was here for four and half years. His records during these years were 11-5, 11-5, 9-7, 10-6, 1-8. Please tell me what owner and fan base would not have been happy with the won-lost record of Wannstedt during his first four years on the job?

I do agree that Wannstedt was responsible for the downfall of the team in the immediate years after he left the team. But Wannstedt has been gone for seven years now and he is not responsible in the least for the train wreck the present regime has made of the Dolphins over the last four years.

 

He is a very intriguing canidate.

 

Based on the results we got from JJ-Cam Cameron, maybe it would've been best if Wayne would've not got his 1st choice everytime.

 

Twitter baby,

 

Actually JJ built the core of the teams which went 11-5, 11-5, 9-7, and 10-6 during the first four years of the Wannstedt regime. I never had a problem with the JJ hire. I just wish that he had the same desire to coach once he took over the Dolphins that he had earlier in his career. Both JJ and Cameron were the hot coaches on the market when Huizenga hired them. The same was the case with Saban who had previously turned down a number of head coaching opportunities in the NFL before Huizenga convinced him to take the Dolphins job.

The fact that these hires didn't work out, still does not alter the fact that Huizenza went after and hired the coaches who were rated at the top of most teams, most desired list each of these years. Parcells was another hire which did not work out, but when Huizenga hired him out from under the Falcons, most Dolphin fans thought this was the greatest hire for the Dolphins since Joe Robbie hired Don Shula away from the Colts.

Huizenga at least was always looking to improve the product on the field, even though in hindsight all his hires did not work out. I would much rather have an owner like Huizenga at the helm than the owner the Dolphins now have. That is just my opinion. You certainly don't have to like it or agree with it.

 

Why all the love for Zimmer now? What has he done? Improved a crappy defense into a championship? No hes not even been able to sustain a playoff push with Cincinnati. We have Nolan who on paper is a better coordinator than Zimmer!
I don't get why he isn't in the mix than??

 

I don't see that he has done anything to merit the praise some on here have been giving him. He is just another defensive coordinator who has never been an NFL head coach and probably would turn out to be another Sparano if he were hired for the job. Nolan, Phillips, Greg Williams, and Spagnola are all former defensive coordinators who are better at their jobs than Zimmer and all of them were failures as head coaches in the NFL.

 

The fact is Wanny resigned, he wasn't fired.

 

On paper? How is Nolan better on paper?

 

He had a 58% W-L pct and went to the playoffs 5 times in the 8 seasons he was the coach the entire season. That's failure? Oh yeah, his team never won a Super Bowl, so he must be a failure.

 

You are correct, but reports at the time clearly showed that Huizega was already looking for a replacement and that Wannstedt knew his time as the Dolphins coach was quickly coming to an end. When JJ wanted to resign, Huizenga talked him into staying. When Wannstedt resigned during the middle of the season, Huizenga accepted his resignation and never tried to talk him into staying. I didn't state that Huizenza fired Wannstedt. I merely stated that he had no problem getting rid of him.

 

I will agree that Phillips was probably a better HC then I gave him credit for. Perhaps because of all the heat he took during his last few years in Dallas, I forgot that he did have some success as a head coach in the NFL. Of course Dave Wannstedt had four winning record in five years with Miami and took the team to the playoffs two of those years. Yet he was considered a failure as a head coach when he left the Dolphins.

The reality is that the only truly successful head coaches are those who actually take their team to the Super Bowl and win it. Winning the Super Bowl is ultimately what the NFL is all about. No matter how many wins a coach has in his career, if his team doesn't win a Super Bowl, he is considered a failure in the long run. This may not be fair, but it is what it is.

 

Probably the first time I have vehemently disagreed with you. Phillips and turner are in a class of their own. Very good coordinators, but extremely mediocre head coaches. Maybe failure isn't an accurate description, but lousy underwhelming, underachieving head coachesis

 

Phillips and Turner are like a slow death of a season.

 

correct in the nfl failures mean those who couldn't get it done. so yes he was/is a failure at this time. Also when I mentioned on paper I meant stats Nolan's defensives have been better than Zimmers any day

 

You mean Wanny "resigned", just like Marino "retired".

 

A ham sandwich could have done with those teams what Wanny did, in fact a ham sandwich might have done better. You seem to vastly underestimate how talented the team Wanny inherited, especially on defense.

 

No, they haven't. Even with superior talent than what Mike Zimmer has had to work with, Nolan's defense aren't better.

This year, Miami was 6th in scoring defense, and Cincinnati was 9th. 10 points separated them, and this is with Miami having much superior talent on defense. Cincinnati's defense was 7th in yards given up. Miami's was 15th. Cincinnati was 4th in yards per play given up. Miami was 12th. Cincinnati was 7th in first downs given up. Miami was 15th. Cincinnati was 9th in passing yards allowed. Miami was 25th. Cincinnati was 4th in net yards per pass attempt. Miami was 17th. Miami was 3rd in rushing defense. Cincinnati was 10th. Miami was 3rd in yards per rush given up. Cincinnati was 8th. Cincinnati was 22nd in turnovers. Miami was 26th.

Zimmer has a defense that rated in the top 10 in everything except turnovers, and this is with guys like Chris Crocker (stunk in Miami), Nate Clements (stunk in SF), Pac Man Jones, Thomas Howard, Frostee Rucker, Domata Peko, Reggie Nelson, and Manny Lawson. Basically, it was a defense made up of cast offs from other teams, and Mike Zimmer got these guys to play great defense.

 

That's not true. During his career, Zimmer's defenses have been in the 64th percentile for yards allowed and 50th for points allowed. Nolan's career defenses have overall been in the 53rd %tile for yards and 54th for points. So, Zimmer's defenses have been quite a bit better as for less yards allowed and slightly worse for points allowed.
So, if you go by one measure, Zimmer is quite a bit better, and by the other measure, slightly worse.

In 5 of 12 years total, Zimmer defenses have been top 10 for least yards allowed and 3 of 12 in top 10 for least points.
In 6 of 18 years total, Nolan defenses have been top 10 for least yards allowed and 7 of 18 yrs in top 10 for least points.
When one looks at points allowed, that is by the team, to include kick and int returns for TDs, etc. So, points allowed are not always the fault of the defense.
Anyway, they are pretty even. So, on paper Nolan isn't better than Zimmer.

 

Just pointing out that on paper, Phillips has actually been better than Fisher. W-L %, ratio of years coached to years in the playoffs. I'm not saying I want him as a head coach.
If he is underachieving, as in should have done better with the talent he had, ok, I can give you that.
But, if I told you the next head coach we hire, will after 8 years in Miami, have a 58% W-L pct and we will reach the playoffs 5 times, would you take it?

 

Well, the worst record the Bills had with Wade Phillips as head coach was 8-8 in 2000. Since then, the Bills have had exactly ONE winning season, and that was coached by Mike Mularkey, who no one seems to have wanted in Miami. Phillips was also 34-22 with the team that Bill Parcells couldn't do better than 9-7 with, and that is including the 1-7 from last year. Basically, going into last year, Phillips was 33-15 with Dallas.

 

Going to tell all of you something right now. Fisher is not all he is being pumped up to be. Always thought, and still do, that Jeff Fishers ego is a little to big for the man. A lot of times he is on the verge of being a complete assssshollle.

Lets face it, if Cowher, Gruden and others were available this year do you really think us or the Rams would have gone out of their way for Jeff Fisher ? No, he was the only one out there that has experience and is not capable of collection social security soon.

 

The Zimmer/Nolan comparisons don't even mention the personalities. Nolan is a dry dry man that needs his veterans for the motivation, Zimmer is incredibly passionate. He has quite a bit of what you look for in a HC, maybe even more so than as a coordinator. Zimmer's scheme is a phenomenal fit for the players Miami has now. None of that two-gapping nonsense we saw Nolan try to pull off that got Miami killed at the beginning of the year. Zimmer also places quite a bit of emphasis on the CB position. In many ways he's what we wish Nolan was.

 

you sriously want wade phillips? yet carmichael doesnt warrant an interview? Wade is ok but better Coord. yes w/l is good but in each case he lost the team, when things go wrong, he isnt tough enough personality wise to control the lockerroom. he is aq bettr cam cameron

 

This Wade Phillips talk is just asinine. I said in another thread, if he gets hired as HC I am done.

But the more I read up on Zimmer the more I like him. The only negatives I see is that he has no HC experience (which could mean nothing).
And he can be over-aggressive to a fault. But hopefully being a HC and having good co-ordinators will reign that in a bit.

 

From what I seem to remember, Phillips does great the first year or 2 as HC of a team, and then it gets bad fast. He loses the team and they fall apart. He has had enough chances to succeed, but has been let go every time. I want no part of this guy either. HIM or Shotty is a stopgap that is destined to fail.

 

Actually...Wrongstedt quit in the middle of the season because he lost control of the team and was under tremendous pressure from the media, fans and I'm sure Huizenga. P.S. Wrongstedt did absolutely nothing with the team, it was still JJ's team. He forced the best QB that this team ever had out and rode the back of RW and JJ's Defense. the man was a scmuck and he destroyed 2 NFL teams and a college program as well.

 

He quit. and those seasons were an adoration. this team should have been better than those records you mentioned. He absolutely destroyed this team.

 

lol Like Ross or not the one thing you can not say is that he does nothing to put a good product on the field. He has proven he is willing to pay anything to get the players and now coach/s. You may not like the man but your facts are based in personal bias. Ross and Ireland with some input from Peterson will take their time and choose the one they think best fits. then we can judge.