Needs some help on that Oline or none of that is going to matter... Dallas Thomas is a liability STILL!!!

 

Great post. We definitely need to patch up the guard position for this season though. Sure hope the line holds up so we can see this Dolphins Pass??first?? offense at its best and most effective.

 

ryan needs to improve on deep throws and fade throws so a lot of our success will be determined by the qb.

 

Don't worry, he no longer has to drop the ball precisely in his receiver's bread basket for it to be a completion... his deep throws will get better.

 

6. The Out - I think the out-route is one of Ryan's strongest throws as well. He has the arm strength to laser that ball to the sideline with ease before the receiver is out of his break. I'm exciting for this season for RT, a real make or break year. After this season is when I make my decision to purchase a Tanne jersey lol.

 

Good grief. We have 3 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick and our new 4th round pick on our OL now. What more do you want? Ryan Tanehill needs to step up his game and get some pocket awareness. A lot of those sacks are on HIM.

 

You are wrong thanks for posting cash

 

How so?

 

Alot of those sacks were from immediate pressure.

 

Yeah, WTF was Tannehill thinking taking all those sacks last year?!! His line gave him adequate protection, and he had a nicely formed pocket to work out of, but he always just stood there, and refused to throw!! He was so frustrating last year!!!

 

He needs to throw the ball away more, get better about eluding pressure, take off running more, did I miss anything?

 

Yeah, I think you did. Where should he run when the middle of the line is pushed back into him, and pressure comes off both edges? I won't argue about throwing the ball away...except to say when pressure comes from all directions in about 2.5 seconds from a 4 man rush, he's probably getting caught by surprise, and is barely off his first read. If the line was giving three or four seconds, I'd say you guys complaining about his pocket presence would have a real point, but sadly, the line didn't do that. I don't think you guys are actually having realistic expectations for how a third year QB should function behind that abortion of a line he had last year.

 

i disagree, he needs to improve in the area a lot, it all depends on what you want of the position, what level of play one thinks it takes to win a championship.

 

take off running more is the understatement of the century, especially relative to his skill set..i believe he took off running 9 times last year....9.....thats ridiculous for the amount of pressure coming his way and for the athletic traits he possesses, and because of how it affects a defense negatively, to ignore that part of the game is a huge mistake that he needs to rectify..like yesterday.

 

Well, it's his 4th year now. The excuses are over after this season.


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Preaching to the choir here DJ. Lol


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You disagree with which statement? That he won't need to throw a precise deep ball, or that his deep throws will get better?

I never said he didn't need to improve, but I do think that if he plays exactly the same as he did last season, without getting any better, his deep throw completion percentage will increase automatically because of the types of weapons we now have. I'm sure most people will agree with that as well, even the biggest Wallace supporters.

 

cant disagree with this

 

excuses for what he has gotten better every year

 

I totally agree he has gotten better ever year. My question is, "Where is his ceiling?". I won't settle for less than an ELITE QB for our team. Will he get there? I hope so. But, none of us should settle for average. That's what we've been since Dan Marino retired. And I'm sick of it.

 

I don't understand this sentiment. Do you believe his oline has been adequate? I don't, yet in spite of this, he had improved every single year, and played like a top five QB for the last 2/3 of the season last year. I think you guys are getting lost in minutia, and missing the big picture. That's why you accuse me and others of being Tannehill lovers, when in reality, we're both just looking at different aspects. That being said, I understand he has things to improve on, but I don't think you appreciate how truly good he is, and how well he's actually played. If next year he lost Landry and Parker, and his oline was as bad as last year, would you truly expect him to put up numbers as good as last year? If he didn't, would it be an excuse to point out the loss of receivers and terrible oline play??

 

Tannehill is better than average. Like I said before, if you're expectation is elite, you may be a sad sad fan for a long time. Tannehill may just be top 10, not top 3. Top 10 is more than enough to win Super Bowls with, and I'd prefer that over another elite QB that doesn't win the big one.

 

So be it. I won't settle for less. EVER (And Jetssuck wouldn't either, read his last post before he died. I can't without crying. It was his dying wish and by God I'm gonna give him that...)

 

I think Jetssuck would have liked a Super Bowl, would he not? Would you rather have elite QB no championship, or very good QB and championship?

 

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Always with Jetssuck... :cry:

 

I'd like to point out, his desire was for the Dolphins to be contenders, nor necessarily have an elite QB. Anyway, we both want the same thing, for them to win. I personally think Tannehill has played well enough to not be deserving of the level of criticism he gets here. If Tannehill starts being the culprit for us not winning games, then I'll be with you in going after a different QB.

 

Ryan won't have the pressure of the best vertical threat in the NFL in his ear or giving him a screw face after another poorly thrown deep ball. This could very well be enough pressure relief in which he becomes a better deep ball passer. Either way with Parker I'm much more interested in Ryan developing the back shoulder throw...that has incredible potential with Parker and Landry.

 

Man I cry like a baby every time I read that post.

 

He also won't have to throw a ridiculous amount of passes to said receiver in the red zone to mollify him despite the fact that said receiver isn't a red zone threat.

Everyone keeps pointing out how Mike Wallace had ten touchdowns last year...he had ten touchdowns because we threw the ball in his direction almost non stop near the goal line even though he wasn't very efficient at getting it past the pylon.

 

They were actually quite efficient together in the redzone, ofcourse what else was he gonna do?? Throw to Hartline??

 

I'm also in the camp of the excuses are over this year, but primarily because I don't yet see Tannehill helping us win in spite of OL problems as much as I think an elite QB would. Yes, we have OL problems, but he hasn't yet shown that killer instinct that you see in Brady, etc.. you know, that feeling you get with Brady that he will lead his team to a last second win despite what the other team just did?

So sure he's gotten better, and yes I think he's our franchise QB (in the sense we don't need to look for a replacement), but a guy like Luck would've given this team a few more wins by putting up more points on the board, with the same OL and defense.

That's why I say excuses are over for me this year. Make the playoffs, or my opinion of him as a QB will be that he's just another player on what can be a winning team, but he won't be one of the key reasons we win (and make the playoffs).

 

Yeah, I get that...but, a large problem with Tannehill doing that has been related to the offensive line being atrocious in obvious running/passing situations. Really, when teams can rush 4 and get pressure in under 3 seconds, like we've seen, that doesn't give the QB many options. These are variables that Brady, for instance, has almost never had to deal with. You put Brady, since you cited him, behind our line, and he's not looking like great Brady. He's looking like Brady from the first three games of last year, when the oline was terrible and people were talking about Brady being done (you know, when his line played like Tannehill's does routinely).

 

Well, it's true Brady hasn't had to deal with the type of OL Tannehill has had to deal with, but the killer instinct part I just never have really seen in Tannehill, even with decent enough protection (the closest was that Seattle game years ago where he kept bringing the team back to win eventually.. I actually had confidence he would do that by the last drive). Also think Brady would've done better with our receivers than the ones he had (he sure would've used Wallace better).

So maybe the better comparison is Luck, since he's had to deal with OL issues too. Anyway, I'm high on Tannehill, just want to be able to say he's the reason we're to be feared instead of that he's just part of a winning team, especially since he'll probably get a huge paycheck if either occurs.

 

What about last season? I mean, how about the second half of the Green Bay game? How about Denver? I mean he's had games. I really think the oline, and fraudulent defense affected more than people realize.

 

The 1st half of the GB game taints my perception of what he did the 2nd half. The Denver game he wasn't constantly bringing us back from behind. Not sure if you remember that Seattle game from 2012. It was the first meeting between two draft picks Wilson and Tannehill. Tannehill kept defying the expectations he had built up to that point (inability to close out games by making mistakes) by bringing us back repeatedly and then winning it. That game was the first game where I thought this guy could someday be IT.

 

Well, I pointed out Green Bay, because as bad as he was in the first half, he came out in the second and played elite football. I don't really remember that Seattle game, though.

 

Yeah he was really good the 2nd half of the GB game, not arguing that, and also not arguing that the Seattle game wasn't the only time he showed flashes of fire. Problem is it's so far just flashes.

 

That Seattle game was awesome, you could see the potential for greatness. First come from behind game winning drive!

 

He also handled Seattle better than Peyton did.