8/21 Barry Jackson sports buzz: Two of Ireland's busts tryna hang on
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### You would like to see two of Jeff Ireland’s pet projects and higher-than-warranted draft picks, Daniel Thomas and Michael Egnew, give a convincing reason for Miami to keep them to start the season.
They could still survive nevertheless because nobody on the roster has necessarily outplayed them for the No. 3 running back and tight end jobs, respectively.
Thomas, who has been limited recently by a hamstring injury, “was having a good camp,” Joe Philbin said today. “Hopefully, we can get him some game action here soon. He’s a good fit .”
Thomas returned to practice earlier this week but sat out Thursday's session, curiously, raising questions about his status for Saturday's Dallas game.
But Mike Gillislee remains out with a hamstring and Damien Williams (17 carries, 22 yards) hasn't made a convincing enough case for the No. 3 running back job. Nor has Orleans Darkwa, obviously. So Thomas might survive by default.
As for Egnew, “he missed a little bit of time , but he’s come back,” Philbin said. “He got a limited amount of playing time the other night. He’s had a good week of practice. So we’ll take a look at him again in the game on Saturday and see how well he performs.”
Charles Clay and Dion Sims will be on the team, and I suspect rookie Arthur Lynch probably will be too unless he’s surprisingly placed on injured reserve. That leaves Egnew competing with Kyle Miller, Brett Brackett, Harold Hoskins and every tight end who will be released over the next two weeks.
Fin Dforum_veteran"LBsFinest wrote:
Isn't 90% of the team "Ireland busts" according to you?
TooGoodForDezNew MemberEgnew is not a bust, he is a 3rd rd pick. And Egnew is not an Ireland pick. That whole draft was governed by new team philosophy and new coaches. Not a single pick in that draft is an Ireland pick.
Ireland regained control the following year which was his last.
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"Fin D wrote:
Isn't 90% of the team "Ireland busts" according to you?
well most of his busts have been purged away, Egnew and Thomas are next, Dallas Thomas will probably follow soon after. Sturgis could be on the outs as well.
"LBsFinest wrote:
well most of his busts have been purged away, Egnew and Thomas are next, Dallas Thomas will probably follow soon after. Sturgis could be on the outs as well.
What about Jared Odrick and Charles Clay?
"Anonymous wrote:
What about Jared Odrick and Charles Clay?
Odrick is JAG, but not a bust, if we lost him to free agency most of us wouldn't lose a wink of sleep, trading down from 12 to 28 cost us bigtime that year. Clay was obviously a nice find.
"TooGoodForDez wrote:
Egnew is not a bust, he is a 3rd rd pick. And Egnew is not an Ireland pick. That whole draft was governed by new team philosophy and new coaches. Not a single pick in that draft is an Ireland pick.
Ireland regained control the following year which was his last.
wow I've actually never heard this excuse before.
Rocky Raccoonmoderator"LBsFinest wrote:
Odrick is JAG, but not a bust, if we lost him to free agency most of us wouldn't lose a wink of sleep, trading down from 12 to 28 cost is bigtime that year. Clay was obviously a nice find.
I think you severely underrate Odrick. Over the last few seasons he's really turned into a damn good player.
TooGoodForDezNew Member"LBsFinest wrote:
wow I've actually never heard this excuse before.
Good, now you know.
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"LBsFinest wrote:
Odrick is JAG, but not a bust, if we lost him to free agency most of us wouldn't lose a wink of sleep, trading down from 12 to 28 cost is bigtime that year. Clay was obviously a nice find.
You missed the point. These are players you said were busts. And now you're saying they are not busts. Odrick is not JAG. He's a very good pass rushers in a passing league. Clay was a nice find. These are guys who took the next step..in their third year. Daniel Thomas is a bust, but not Egnew. It's not looking good for him. He might not even make the roster. If he doesn't then he would be a bust.
"Anonymous wrote:
You missed the point. These are players you said were busts. And now you're saying they are not busts. Odrick is not JAG. He's a very good pass rushers in a passing league. Clay was a nice find. These are guys who took the next step..in their third year. Daniel Thomas is a bust, but not Egnew. It's not looking good for him. He might not even make the roster. If he doesn't then he would be a bust.
Never called Odrick or Clay busts. Before his breakout year someone asked if Clay was a good player, up to that point he wasn't, so I said no.
Rocky Raccoonmoderator"Triggercut wrote:
Never gets old. :lol:
Stitchesluxury_box"Rocky Raccoon wrote:
Never gets old. :lol:
I disagree.
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
"LBsFinest wrote:
Never called Odrick or Clay busts. Before his breakout year someone asked if Clay was a good player, up to that point he wasn't, so I said no.
Lol, sure. You don't even believe what you just wrote.
djphinfansubscriber"Rocky Raccoon wrote:
I think you severely underrate Odrick. Over the last few seasons he's really turned into a damn good player.
Damn Good player...that's a stretch I think.
djphinfansubscriber"Rocky Raccoon wrote:
I think you severely underrate Odrick. Over the last few seasons he's really turned into a damn good player.
I keep waiting for Odrick to be better, should I stop?, imo this year is an audition year for a contact that he may want.
MrCleansubscriber"TooGoodForDez wrote:
Egnew is not a bust, he is a 3rd rd pick. And Egnew is not an Ireland pick. That whole draft was governed by new team philosophy and new coaches. Not a single pick in that draft is an Ireland pick.
Ireland regained control the following year which was his last.
So, you think Ireland just agreed in 2012 to give up the final say on the draft picks and let the coaches decide?
“... I hope I never ridicule what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
MrCleansubscriber"Stitches wrote:
I disagree.
Me too. That gif is as old, worn out and tiring to see, as the references to Juan Huron. :headwall:
“... I hope I never ridicule what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
MrCleansubscriber"Rocky Raccoon wrote:
I think you severely underrate Odrick. Over the last few seasons he's really turned into a damn good player.
I totally agree. To call Odrick a JAG is stupid.
“... I hope I never ridicule what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
MrCleansubscriber"djphinfan wrote:
Damn Good player...that's a stretch I think.
When he lines up at DT it is not stretch. As a 4-3 DE such as he was often used in 2012, he was totally miscast.
“... I hope I never ridicule what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
djphinfansubscriber"MrClean wrote:
When he lines up at DT it is not stretch. As a 4-3 DE such as he was often used in 2012, he was totally miscast.
Damn good means better than good?..... Not better than good imo..I would say pretty good player, which is not as good as good, relatively speaking.
djphinfansubscriber"MrClean wrote:
When he lines up at DT it is not stretch. As a 4-3 DE such as he was often used in 2012, he was totally miscast.
I don't know if you saw it, but I asked you last week if you saw anything in Odrick over the whole offseason and preseason that seems a bit off?
MrCleansubscriber"djphinfan wrote:
I don't know if you saw it, but I asked you last week if you saw anything in Odrick over the whole offseason and preseason that seems a bit off?
In the off season, I have no way of seeing much of him at all. In the first two preseason games he's looked fine to me.
“... I hope I never ridicule what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
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