Or have we played 2 games against two playoff/Super Bowl contending teams?
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Am I crazy or did many experts predict that Miami will be a playoff contender as well? They basically got smacked in the face twice.
Your "it's ok to be a loser" attitude is what's very wrong with this fanbase.canesz06 likes this. -
The Jests are awful, but the Bills are good. We aren't talking about a team that went 4-12 last year, they were a playoff team and should have beaten Houston. I hope Josh Allen hasn't really turned the corner, but he's looked really good and played largely mistake free. That was their biggest weakness on a playoff team.
Meh, realism has to strike at some point. We don't have the talent base and experience at this point. New England and Buffalo are largely veteran teams that have had key pieces in place for multiple years, we haven't.
We've played two really good teams. We haven't gotten crushed, we've gamed. We lost, ok.
I think we are simply seeing a dose of reality - we overachieved some at the end of last year. Fitz was bound to regress. Our defense will take time to gel and still features a decent amount of filler like Lawson and Ogbah.
Let's play more than 2 games against last years playoff teams before we decide Flores is Cam Cameron and we will be worse than 5-11 lol. Chill y'all!Puka-head likes this. -
Bills are Division round exit talented, the Pats are Wildcard round exit talent. Miami is in the running for Trevor Lawrence (and you take him if you get the chance).
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Quoted myself by accident!
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Agreed, moral victories occur in extremely rare circumstances. We had a chance to win this game, we should have won, we should be playing better.
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The scores don't really indicate what happened in these two games.
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All of this a fair observation!
But man, some people are acting like we've just gotten crushed. Teams that should be real worried are teams like the Eagles and Vikings. Then there are teams like the Jests and Lions.
I will say, losing to the Jags and the Seahawks? That's when we should start really questioning things. Just seems like people maybe got a bit unrealistic in their expectations.
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Every fan of every team likes to make this argument. Ultimately, the scores are what they are and the records are what they are. It's not good certainly. But we aren't the worst team in the league. We aren't a returning playoff team or even a playoff competitor from last year off to a disappointing start.
We are the leagues youngest team with a streaky/flukey QB and like 6-7 new defensive starters, a whole new OL, a whole new RB unit. Expecting everything to come together to roll a pair of solid and well coached teams was fun homerism for awhile, but probably we got ahead of ourselves. -
I thought about that myself- what if we are picking #1 overall? Do you really take Lawrence and shop Tua...AKA the Rosen technique? I think you almost have to play Tua extensively this season to know that answer for sure, because you'd hope the right move would probably be trading down and grabbing some more skill players.
I really hope it doesn't come to that....but if we're only going to win 4 or 5 games anyway is that worth rooting for yet again? LOL, Go Titans!cbrad likes this. -
IF we are winless or have at most 1 win midseason then yes you have to play Tua precisely because of the scenario you describe. You have to find out how good Tua is. If he's not the QB you hoped for then you pick Lawrence.
Thing is, 4-5 wins won't do it. You'll most likely need at most 2 wins (e.g., last year you had one 2-win team and two 3-win teams). Competition is fierce at the bottom too lol!texanphinatic and KeyFin like this. -
There are some bad teams, lead by the Jests. The Lions also are looking bad. I wouldn't be surprised to see them fire Patricia rather quickly. Philly and Minny have both surprisingly looked abysmal as well.
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Wouldn't Tua have to look like one of the worst quarterbacks in the history of the game to prompt that decision with such a small sample size? I mean even Josh Rosen got 13 games to look like one of the worst quarterbacks in the history of the game before the Cardinals moved on the following year.
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If Lawrence is thought to be a generational talent and Tua doesn't do well in 8 games or so, what would you do? Gamble that it's just small sample size with Tua or go after a generational talent? I go after the generational talent.
There's of course a 3rd option: pick Lawrence and keep Tua. Well this is all irrelevant speculation anyway. I don't think we'll end up worst in the league, and you'll have to be the worst to pick Lawrence as no one is trading away that pick.texanphinatic and The Guy like this. -
Plenty of game to play, but Cam just drove them down and ran it in himself.
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I disagree with this. This score is what it is in the W-L column, but from the perspective of analyzing your team, the score doesnt show anything about how well or poorly you played.
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How can the score show “nothing” about how well or poorly a team played? You don’t figure that by the end of the year, overall points differential is a pretty good indicator of the quality of teams throughout the league?texanphinatic likes this.
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Cocoa Puffs are the bomb. Delicious AND you get chocolate milk at the end?!?!?!Puka-head and The_Dark_Knight like this.
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Easily.
Sometimes a play has nothing to do with what you actually did defensively.
For instance, last year on the pick 6 brady threw, we played it terribly defensively and there were two WR open by a few feet each. Brady threw a duck between them both that was picked off.
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Allen sure does look like he's turned the corner from that debacle he displayed against Houston. Caveat: he's played the Stej and Fins so far.
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OK, so you're saying that in the case of an extremely small sample size (i.e., one score), point differential can be meaningless in terms of the quality of a team. That I can agree with. What I can't agree with is that over the long haul (e.g., a season), point differential is meaningless as an indicator of the quality of teams.
Certainly you don't think that after 16 games, a point differential of let's say +200 means nothing in comparison to a point differential of -200, in terms of an indicator of the quality of the two teams? The team with the point differential of -200 is just as good as the team with the point differential of +200? -
My issue is that I'm kind of talking more about week to week.
I'd love the full seasons worth of data, but by the time I have it, it just doesnt help me preparing for week 3 or 4.
Also it's possible some of my early year problems arent my late year problems. Maybe early on we couldnt stop the run, but the last few weeks it's the pass we are struggling against.
I agree all the data encapsulates the season better.The Guy likes this. -
Right that's the coaches job, but even then we may not see all the nuance. Was Brady baited into the mistake via setups from earlier? Did pressure come? Did the scheme confuse him? Or ... did he just make a huge mental error, but we still managed to capitalize instead of dropping the ball.
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We are probably losing to the shehacks. And the timing sucks for catching the jags. Starting the season with 3 of 4 playoff teams is tough. Set expectations accordingly. -
Always tough going coast to coast, and four weeks in we may either be seeing Tua or starting to gel. I'd give the Hawks a wide margin, but it's gettable.
Jags have put up some offensive numbers, but I think a lot is just volume and playing without abandon - almost like us late last season. Minshew is playing well but making mistakes. I think if we win the TO/Penalty battle we win the game and vice versa.