Could our coach be....The next Lombardi???

We really need the season to start.

Back to the topic, if anyone has really gotten into this guys style and what he stands for, and how he got to this point, and the respect of his players, and how he teaches in practice, his demeanor, his presence, it feels like he has the potential to be the right guy

Generally I think a more lenient approach to management can work but only with the right people around you. When those people are millionaires it's different from your average job.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Generally I think a more lenient approach to management can work but only with the right people around you. When those people are millionaires it's different from your average job.

That’s my experience too. You can have a light touch with self motivated individuals who know what they’re doing. When half the team are people with less than 3 years experience and still learning the job in a different environment from their last job, I doubt a light touch will work.

Everything in that article also describes Joe Philbin to a tee. It's far too early to anoint Flores as a great head coach- maybe we can win a preseason game 1st? After all, he was the guy who traded away most of our best players less than a month ago...

And PS- the NY media AND Jets players are saying the same thing about Gase.

"KeyFin wrote:

And PS- the NY media AND Jets players are saying the same thing about Gase.

This isn't true, Key. Well, at least not on the stations I listen to everyday to and from work. On The Fan, especially Boningo, would absolutely trash Gase and despised the hire when it happened.

"djphinfan wrote:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2019/06/25/dolphins-hired-brian-flores-leadership-nfl/1556453001

Gases coaching style is that of a buddy, he likes to tease and joke with you to get you motivated..you won’t see him with a whistle around his neck in practice..He’s usually off to the side..couldn’t stand that about him, so glad he is gone, really, not a leader in any sense..

Really looking forward to Flores style, I’ve always said that this team playing in this town needs a leader of men, disciplinarian type, I think this guy is the father figure type that demands a lot from his players but has the compassion to care about them and their families.

Lombardi use to say, “Win your players' hearts and they will follow you anywhere”

After 6 months of studying this guy, I think this guy has traits of the great Lombardi.

I know that’s a huge leap but I really feel that Flores embodies this quote.

“I believe everybody wants discipline, especially young people. But one has to be careful of the spirit in which it's given. They'll take it if it's done in the spirit of teaching ... even of love, like the discipline one gets from a mother and father.”

Not sure about Lombardi or anything, but I like what I see from Flores so far. Along with what you said, I believe that Flores has willpower to stay the course. If we are going to have a real team culture change ( for the better) then we need a mentally strong coach who our players can relate too.

This generation is different. When I grew up, I couldn’t talk back to my mom and dad. These kids, you see it out on the field, they’re talking back to coaches. It’s a different world. It’s a hard job, coaching these kids

Interesting quote from Grier.

I think this generation of players is just looking for a little rationalization, transparency, and constant teaching regarding football. I've been through a couple internships where I wasn't being instructed, just given work for work's sake. It was not very fulfilling.

"Sceeto wrote:

This isn't true, Key. Well, at least not on the stations I listen to everyday to and from work. On The Fan, especially Boningo, would absolutely trash Gase and despised the hire when it happened.

A lot of folks did at first because of the narrative coming out of Miami. From what I've heard/read lately though, that narrative has changed since the offense has opened up so much compared to where it used to be.

None of this means anything this early on and everything should be taken with a grain of salt....I just mentioned it since some are comparing our new HC to one of the best ever before we've even had the first practice in pads. For a team expected to be in the very bottom of the league this season, we won't have these types of opinions until AT LEAST December and probably not until next season. The first Jets/Fins matchup will certainly be interesting though!

"Pauly wrote:

That’s my experience too. You can have a light touch with self motivated individuals who know what they’re doing. When half the team are people with less than 3 years experience and still learning the job in a different environment from their last job, I doubt a light touch will work.

Exactly.

My boss basically leaves me alone because he knows I'm on top of anything that might pop up 100%

There are other people here though we have to be on like Hawks.

"AGuyNamedAlex wrote:

Exactly.

My boss basically leaves me alone because he knows I'm on top of anything that might pop up 100%

There are other people here though we have to be on like Hawks.

Exactly. There is never a one-size-fits-all approach thats going to work unless you have a very small group of people. The best coaches can broadly motivate everyone, lead by setting a good example and build confidence through both success and how they treat people. But individually, every player is his own man, and you can't just expect them all to fall in line, no matter who the coach is.

Gase was the next Don Shula, and Flores is the next Lombardi.

Is there any way we can pre-order Super Bowl shirts?

"tirty8 wrote:

Gase was the next Don Shula, and Flores is the next Lombardi.

Is there any way we can pre-order Super Bowl shirts?

Gase is a lil boy..Flores is a man..

Good starting point

Too early DJ for any proclamations or predictions.

It is more likely he's Joe Philbin than Vince Lombardi, given that Lombardi was one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

Talking points are nice and motivational slogans sound positive but before we place judgement let's see what his in game adjustments are and the philosophy the team takes on offense and defense.

It's more likely he'll be fired after three or four years and We'll do the whole coaching search carousel again

"Bumrush wrote:

Too early DJ for any proclamations or predictions.

It is more likely he's Joe Philbin than Vince Lombardi, given that Lombardi was one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

Talking points are nice and motivational slogans sound positive but before we place judgement let's see what his in game adjustments are and the philosophy the team takes on offense and defense.

Leadership traits that’s all, I’m not saying he is gonna be Lombardi,just see some traits.

"Pauly wrote:

That’s my experience too. You can have a light touch with self motivated individuals who know what they’re doing. When half the team are people with less than 3 years experience and still learning the job in a different environment from their last job, I doubt a light touch will work.

I tend to look at a head coach in the same manner I do a platoon sergeant in the military. Fear and respect. Troops with good platoon sergeants respect him/her but also fear the repercussions of failure through negligence.

Football players should be the same. Respect their coaches and fear repercussions for their individual failures but as it’s been pointed out, kinda difficult to fear someone when you have a multimillion dollar contract.

How I long for the golden days of football again

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

I tend to look at a head coach in the same manner I do a platoon sergeant in the military. Fear and respect. Troops with good platoon sergeants respect him/her but also fear the repercussions of failure through negligence.

Football players should be the same. Respect their coaches and fear repercussions for their individual failures but as it’s been pointed out, kinda difficult to fear someone when you have a multimillion dollar contract.

How I long for the golden days of football again

I think that you have to be aware that those tactics don't work with everyone though, right? You can have great players who will excel for a coach with a kinder approach, and absolutely tank with the drill sergeant type.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I think that you have to be aware that those tactics don't work with everyone though, right? You can have great players who will excel for a coach with a kinder approach, and absolutely tank with the drill sergeant type.

Tom Landry is a great example of one of those kinder coaches who had tremendous success. You also have many successful "cerebral" coaches that are nothing like platoon sergeants. As you said there's no one size fits all, and it's important that the coach stays true to himself and not try to impose a style he's not comfortable with.. easy to spot a fake.

Also, one problem with applying military style leadership to sports is that players are less likely to talk to you about stuff going on in their personal lives that affects on-field performance, which is especially important when the players are public figures and are on TV.

Anyway, more important than any of this leadership style stuff is how well you prepare and how well you adapt. Hard to find a great coach that didn't have both traits. And we have no idea whether Flores has either. As was stated earlier.. the season needs to start!

IMO coaching success, like everything else, is a combination of talent, hard work, the help of others and luck. Bellichick was a talented, hard-working coach in Cleveland, but without the opportunity in NE and the drafting of Brady he may have gone down as just another failed coach or maybe a lifetime DC. Their scout, Rehbein, identified Brady as the perfect fit for their offense. If not for him, Brady may not have been on their radar. And obviously, some other team could have taken Brady before their 6th round pick. Even after they drafted him, circumstances helped Brady stay on the roster. IIRC the Pats' were way over the cap so they had to dump vets and fill the roster out with rookies. They still had to do a good job of evaluating Brady, but realistically, if their cap had been better managed they probably would have kept one of those higher priced vets over a 4th QB.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I think that you have to be aware that those tactics don't work with everyone though, right? You can have great players who will excel for a coach with a kinder approach, and absolutely tank with the drill sergeant type.

Bring drill sergeant as you put it doesn’t entail screaming and yelling all of the time, nor does it always include caping the living dog snot out of your troops until they’re sweating gravy...but it can.

Good troops understand what a drill sergeant is doing when he does go off like that. Good players should also understand as well

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Bring drill sergeant as you put it doesn’t entail screaming and yelling all of the time, nor does it always include caping the living dog snot out of your troops until they’re sweating gravy...but it can.

Good troops understand what a drill sergeant is doing when he does go off like that. Good players should also understand as well

This is why I could never be in the military. I definitely can't just trust a person to make lmk e decisions about me personally.

Obviously Philbin rode Rodger's coattails and Gase rode Manning's. Neither had accomplished anything on their own merit. Flores, on the other hand, led a nondescript defense, devoid of any superstars and thoroughly stifled one of the most explosive offenses in the NFC. That doesn't make him a Lombardi but, it's got me looking forward to pre-season in a year that we were expected to tank for Tua.

"Hooligan wrote:

Obviously Philbin rode Rodger's coattails and Gase rode Manning's. Neither had accomplished anything on their own merit. Flores, on the other hand, led a nondescript defense, devoid of any superstars and thoroughly stifled one of the most explosive offenses in the NFC. That doesn't make him a Lombardi but, it's got me looking forward to pre-season in a year that we were expected to tank for Tua.

Flores rode the coattails of Belichick! Flores has been under Belichick in various duties for a long time, and it's not like NE's defense suddenly improved when Flores took over play calling duties. NE has had a very good defense for a LONG time and any success there is best attributed to Belichick not Flores. We simply have no idea what Flores can do without Belichick.

Also problematic is that infamous Belichick coaching tree. These are the records of former Belichick assistants as NFL HC's:
Crennel (5 seasons, 28-55)
Groh (1 season, 9-7)
McDaniels (2 seasons 11-17)
Mangini (5 seasons 33-47)
Saban (2 seasons 15-17)
Schwartz (5 seasons 29-51)
Patricia (1 season 6-10)
O'Brien (5 seasons 42-38)

That's really bad. I think O'Brien will finally buck the trend of failures and end up being a winning coach longer term now that he has Deshaun Watson. Either way, there's no real evidence Flores is likely to be a winning coach based on his time with NE.