I named Schwartz, and a few others, as Candidates to lead the Fins next year.
And to leave no stone unturned, I think it might do well to explore some of these older guys...
I just know the culture has to change. Gase isn't the answer. We can hope he is, we can try to make excuses for him...or we can face the reality. At the end, the guy is a joke. He's a coordinator. He's in over his head.
But, maybe I am wrong. We'll know in three weeks. I predict we lose all three. I would bet good money we lose 2-3 and I would bet a year's salary we lose at least 1-3.
If we lose all three, we'd be 3-4. I don't think Gase can maintain the locker room with that kind of adversity.
Imagine we lose 2 of 3. We'd be 4-3, and still will have lost 3 of 4.
If we go 2-1, I'll be shocked. If we go 3-0, I will apologize to Gase and promise to not publicly bash him again. I don't think any chance that happens!
I think we need to cut bait, sooner than later, and start seriously thinking about who is going to lead this franchise.
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It's way too premature for this type of thinking. I do get where you're coming from and Gase does need to figure out an offensive identity. You don't make a coaching change at 3-1 or even 3-3 for that matter. Ross has way too much respect for Gase to even consider that...he definitely has the whole year to prove himself. And I do think we'll turn things around quickly...especially with Reshad Jones returning. It's a completely different team with him on the field.
If we were going to make a change next year though, here's the name I'd be floating- Dan Campbell.Surfs Up 99, resnor, Redwine4all and 2 others like this. -
I think Gase has the potential to be a very good long term coach. He has the respect of his players and doesn’t seem to be afraid of tough decisions with personnel and doesn’t play scared on Sundays. I do believe he needs work on getting the team to play with intensity and toughness. We consistently start flat and get beat psychically. His coordinator days have him too finesse, still. Sometime football is just mano a mano. Remember that stretch when Ajayi just out toughed opposing teams and how it elevated everyone else? I think a plain old mean and nasty Oline might do wonders, but that’s stating the obvious. Doesn’t seem like he prioritizes it enough in his system. Truth is that talented WRs and rbs are a dime a dozen and all can excel with a good qb and a tough as nails Oline.
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How is Cowher still an appealing name? His appeal was lost to me after his second year of retirement..
His name is as appealing as Parcells was to the Cowboys... Gibbs to the redskins after a long layoff... and now gruden to the raiders... pass..
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Calling Gase a joke and then naming guys like Cowher, John Fox and Rex Ryan as his replacements hahaha
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I think a lot of teams give up on their HC too early. We should stay the course with Gase. However, if we are in position to grab a QB high in the draft I would like us to have one to develop.
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James Bettcher is a name to watch out for. Led a very formidable defense with annually changing personnel in Arizona while with Arians.
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I expect Schwartz to end up in Houston should Bill O'Brien be fired, and at 1-3 it's looking likely. You need significant talent to run his Wide Nine front and Houston has that in spades with Clowney, Watt, and Mercilus.
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Whenever the next change comes, I am sick and tired of hiring rookie coaches and having them learn on the job and fail at it. Five in a row.
We need to time it right, and hire someone for his second job who just needed a change of scenery. Like Andy Reid did in kc, or fox in Denver, tony Dungy in indy, or Pete Carroll in Seattle.
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It doesn't matter what we think about Gase or what we say. Ross will make the decision and I don't see him firing Gase yet.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't go that route if Gase fails this season, just that I think deciding on an archetype instead of listening to the person is the problem. We could go back and forth all day listing failed coaches who are rookies vs. veterans.
The harsh reality is that most coaches seem to fail regardless, and unless things turn around quickly, we just have not hired the right person yet. If we need a new hire after the season, get a good mix of people of varying types (defense vs. offense, vet vs. rook) and hear them out. What is their philosophy. What will they do. What have they learned. What do they want. Obviously we won't be privvy to much of that stuff, but it's the most logical course of action.
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Finding a great coach is similar to finding a great QB. You can do things to increase the likelihood of success (which is why QB's in the 1st round tend to pan out more than those in the 3rd, etc...) but it's still mostly a crapshoot. Not sure you can pigeonhole and say "we should go after coach type X" and have more success.
Just keep trying till you find the right one. Oh, and most coaches that did succeed had success by their 3rd year. You don't need to wait till year 5 in all except a few cases (and yes there are cases where you had to wait even longer.. like Belichick, but those are rare).texanphinatic and Carmen Cygni like this. -
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One of my favorite things about the NFL is how many different ways there are to succeed, and how the path to success might be incredibly different in one place compared to the next.
There are numerous NFL cities where they might be geared more for success with a rookie hc. Be it ownership, the front office, or just the established culture of the team and even fan base.
But then there are others that seem to do much better when they hire a guy who started his career somewhere else. The Giants are one for certain. The Patriots seem to be another. Same with the Chargers and chiefs.danmarino and Carmen Cygni like this. -
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I think that when you're starting from absolute scratch, without an established successful front office and owner, without a culture of winning....which is where we will be whenever Gase moves on....then asking a rookie coach to start from there and establish something is just too much.
The examples of it are pretty rare. Not even looking a super bowls, just who has taken over as a rookie in a situation where the team has been lousy for a while and eventually turned them into a winner in the last 25 years or so?
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Who is holding back our offense, Gase or Tannehill?
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But I think most of the blame falls on Gase. Best case, hes so freaking stubborn to run a system exactly the way he wants, that he refuses to accept that he hasn't yet had the players to make it work at even an adequate level. Work with what you have.resnor, Surfs Up 99 and Carmen Cygni like this. -
Wow.
We might as well change the line of the old Gun's & Roses song to "Take me down to panic struck city!."
The mere fact that Gase still has a winning record after having Osweiler as starting QB last year ought to give some of these "nervous nellies" at least a hint of a possibility of a sign of something resembling a clue that calling for his head now is somewhere out past the orbit of Jupiter ridiculous.
This team is nowhere near as lost as it was under some of the early successors to Shula. Remember them? And we don't have Bobby Beathard running the personnel department.
Let's all turn down the thrust control on the panic rocket. The Patriots are not going to hold back on throttling anyone - let alone the Dolphins. And our O line has taken another hit - this time a double whammy. And that happens in football.
Three years is not enough time to totally rebuild a defense what made porous look good, an offense that couldn't run on Maudie Frickert, clean out some of the malcontents, and install a toughened mentality for the entire team. And the season's only 25% over.
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According to his players, McVay’s greatest strength isn’t some mad-scientist tendency to lock himself in a dark lab and emerge hours later with dozens of ingenious play designs. While he’s a wunderkind play designer, his best attribute is his ability to clearly communicate the tenets of his offensive philosophy. “It was really just the way he portrayed things,” Goff says. “The way he communicated. The way he made something that’s so complicated seem so simple. Right then, it was like, ‘Wow.’”
“Most people are stubborn in their ways,” Whitworth says. “Just like everyday people who do a job. This is how I’ve always done it. I’m going to do it this way. He’s the opposite of that. Not only is he the most intelligent person in the room, he’s also the most humble."
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/10/4/17936990/sean-mcvay-offensive-mind-los-angeles-rams
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So many naysayer threads right now so I’ll just reply to all of them in this one
The chances a team wins 3 in a row is pretty slim.
The chances a team wins 4 in a row are astronomical.
History tells us the Patriots don’t lose 2 in a row. That just doesn’t happen, but it did.
There was no way...NO WAY they were going to lose 3 in a row, at home where we’ve not won in 10 years.
I have a feeling we could beat Cincinnati 100-0 and there would STILL be naysayers.
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