He looks like he’s 12 LMAO

 

I dont know enough to have a strong opinion. Seemed like perhaps a tadp reachy, but **** it, Wisconsin is like the one team that still produces ready to go linemen for the NFL level so hopefully he can impact early and put Williams and Oliver on their asses.

 

I cant unsee that now.

 

Over drafted, he is a liability in pass pro against top level Dlinemen. Should have gone in the fifth or sixth round. His cieling is solid starter.

Yodny Cajuste should have been the pick. He has an actual all pro cieling.

 

I’m at a point where I’m going to trust our current regime until they prove that they can’t be trusted. If they liked him at that point in the draft then I say great pick.

 

Amen. There should be no reason to not give a new regime the benefit of the doubt/

 

Flores was up in NE, where they get seemingly anyone to plug into their line. Let's let him assemble a team before we criticize.

 

He held his own against Nick Bosa at a position he won't be playing in the NFL.

We've already talked about you being wrong about his projection too.

 

You call that holding his own? We obviously have very different standards. He gave up a sack to bosa along with several pressures. He was also beaten several times by multiple players. He is lucky his QB was mobile and got rid of the ball quickly or he would have given up more sacks.

This is a very bad example of his pass blocking skills if that's what you were going for. Like I said he is a pretty good run blocker but his pass protection ability is very lacking. He will get regularly beaten by good pass rushers. The Wisconsin offense hid a lot of his flaws due them being a run heavy offense and having a quick hitting passing game. Unless we adopt that kind of an offense I am worried about his ability to pass protect against NFL Dlinemen.

 

He has a good punch, and as guard he will not have to worry about as many speed rusher, if what I looked at on that tape is an indication of his overall play.

I see what CK said about him in space. A few times missing a block, and one time where he went for the punch and got punched instead. Should not happen against someone who he is that much bigger than. At least hold his own.

I like his hands a lot. I like his feet a lot. To go old school Madden, he needs to work on his butt. He relies too much on his hands and not enough on that big ole ***.

 

When I played O line in HS and college, I LOVED IT when a D lineman was much bigger than me. That meant I would get off the ball faster every time, make first contact and put him on his ***. Pass or run...it didn't matter, I just took 2 steps and laid him out. It was the smaller, more agile guys who were the hardest because technique came into play instead of just raw power/speed.

With that said, evaluating a lineman based on one game vs one of the best D linemen around is just not fair. He did hold his own while being out of position in the worst possible match-up....that highlight reel played to his favor overall.

 

The biggest hole on the OL is LG, and Deiter should be plug and play there. He is very experienced at LG. Cajuste has only played OT. If you wanted to complain they should have taken Ben Powers, or Dru Samia, then okay, but not Cajuste. We'll see who turns out the best, and if Deiter busts as a starting LG, you can come back, beat your chest, and tell everyone how great you are. As it stands right now, you are not qualified to declare what the ceiling is for any draft pick. None of us are.

 

He. Won't. Be. Playing. LT. In. The. NFL.

 

I also played online. I was the only 5'8" starting lineman in the league

 

BPA offensive linemen at our pick in the 3rd was Cajuste, we do have a hole at RT with jewan James gone and Cajuste would have fit perfectly there. I didn't like Samia but I would definitely have picked Ben Powers over Dieter. Much better pass blocker than Dieter and fairly even as run blockers. Although I wouldn't have picked either in the third. Cajuste should have been the pick. Patriots got a steal with him.

 

Yes, absolutely. You're taking a guard playing him at tackle against probably the best DE in college football and what is very likely at that time a starting NFL quality player and he's allowing you to execute your game plan. That's a good thing, full stop.

I don't really know why you've decided you need this ax, but you're grinding it pretty funny.

 

It wasn't just bosa beating him regularly. He didn't give up at least 3 or 4 more sacks because the QB was mobile and got rid of the ball quickly. I am not grinding an ax, I'm just giving my opinion on Dieter. I have watched several game tapes on him not just this one and he has the same issues although to a lesser extent at guard. He has serious problems in pass pro against any decent pass rusher, not just bosa. The Wisconsin offense hid his flaws, they were able to execute because they run the ball a lot and get rid of the ball quickly when they do pass.

 

That is what's known as an opinion. NFlDraftScout ranked Deiter their 3rd OG after Ford and Lindstrom. Cajuste was their 8th OT.
We have holes at 3 spots on the OL, basically.

 

Look I watched three different game tapes of deiter, plus the senior bowl game and all of the senior bowl practices. I was not at all impressed. He is decent in the running game, but he regularly gets beat whenever he has to deal with a decent pass rusher. He is much better going forward as a run blocker than going backwards in pass pro.

I would definitely have drafted Ben Powers over him if we really wanted a guard, but I think Cajuste was the BPA olinemen available and he could have stepped right in at RT.

Yes that's my opinion, let's hope I'm wrong.

 

While I agree in general that we need some results before bringing out torches - and I am ok with the Dieter pick - NE has something we dont in terms of OL development. Dante Scarnecchia (or however you spell it).

 

And he seems irreplaceable. They had to drag him out of retirement after one year without him.

 

I hope he succeeds, but some of that tape was dreadful. As y’all have said, good push in the run game, but very suspect in pass pro. Just my opinion.

 

And our oline hasn't played a down yet. When you are used to being in the basement the sky is the limit.

 

and why should anyone really care if you came away impressed or not

 

We could draft the second coming of Montana and people here will have a problem with it.. let the coaches do their thing... if theyre following the NE model, deiter is here until his contract is up and then theyre drafting another linemen to replace them. They dont pay linemen, nor runningbacks. Which is why Gaskin is here cause Drake is almost due for a contract.

 

This draft site ranks Deiter as the 38th overall player in the draft.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/michael-deiter

A 54-game starter at Wisconsin, Deiter made 24 starts at left guard, 16 at center and 14 and left tackle but his best fit at the next level comes at guard where his mobility and play strength is maximized but his lack of length is less of a concern. Showing steady improvement throughout his career, Deiter capped his career numerous accolades including being named the Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year in 2018. Given his experience in a pro-style system and technical refinement, Deiter has the makings of an early starter in the NFL that is productive in every aspect of the position.

Round Grade - Second Round Value

 

They don't pay linemen???

RG Shaq Mason, was drafted by the Patriots in the 4th round of the 2015 NFL Draft, on August 27, 2018, signed a five-year, $50 million contract extension with the Patriots.

C David Andrews, a 2015 UDFA by the Pats, signed a three-year contract extension with the Patriots, May 12, 2017, through the 2020 season. The deal has a base value of $9.6 million, with a $1.6 million signing bonus, and an additional $2.1 million in incentives.

 

Scarnecchia was "retired" for two seasons, 2014 and 2015. He was replaced by Dave DeGuglielmo. In the 2 seasons without Scar, and with Gugs, the Pats won SB 49, and lost the AFC Championship by 2 points to eventual SB 50 winner, Denver Broncos. The OL minus LT Nate Solder struggled vs Demarcus Ware, and Von Miller in that AFCCG loss, and Gugs was made the scapegoat.
Gugs has been the Dolphins OL coach twice, and did pretty well compared to other recent past OL coaches the team has had. It was also reported earlier today, Gugs is returning to the Dolphins as an OL analyst, according to the PBP, helping lead OL coach Pat Flaherty. Gugs was Flaherty's asst OL coach for 5 seasons with the Giants, 2004-2008.

 

I am hoping between Flaherty and Guglielmo that they are able to make some chicken salad. The pieces they have to work with are a mixed bag and all of them might not be grade A, but maybe they still can come up with something tasty that won't give Rosen (or us) food poisoning this year.

 

Dolphins’ offensive line draft strategy reveals much about their vision on offense
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article230302419.html

The Dolphins could have drafted any offensive lineman not named Jonah Williams at 13.

Just two guards were off the board when they were on the clock at 48. But they passed on linemen each time, waiting until pick No. 78 to finally address their front five, which three weeks ago was probably their thinnest position. Why?

Christian Wilkins had a higher grade than any other player available in Round 1, and the Dolphins were determined to trade down in Round 2, acquiring a second-rounder in 2020 and then trading for Josh Rosen with the 62nd pick.

But perhaps there’s another explanation: the limited amount of functional game tape for the year’s best collegiate offensive linemen.

“A lot of college offenses throw the ball, so you want to find some guys that are skilled in run blocking,” Dolphins offensive line coach Pat Flaherty explained. “You never get a lot of guys that [are] overall developed in both areas. We want smart, tough, physical guys and that’s what we were looking for in the draft.”

Deiter checks all those boxes.

Wisconsin’s do-everything offensive lineman started a ridiculous 54 straight games in college. And the Badgers are no finesse team. Wisconsin averaged 43.9 rushing attempts in 2018, compared to just 23.4 passing attempts.

“We’re going to be a tough, physical team,” Brian Flores said during rookie minicamp.

The Dolphins drafted like it.

They took Deiter (6-foot-5, 309 pounds) in Round 3, Ohio State tackle Isaiah Prince (6-6, 305) in Round 6 and fullback Chandler Cox (6-1, 242) in Round 7.

All three have the same instructions:

Use your strength and size to move defenders out of the way.

“We must be able to run the football and get four-plus yards a carry and then we have to be able to keep the pocket clean and protect the quarterback,” Flaherty said. “Pressures are going to happen. Hits and sacks, that’s a bad word, bad words in our room.”

 

https://www.thephinsider.com/2019/5...staff-indianapolis-colts-new-england-patriots

Looks like we’re bringing back Guglielmo as an OL consultant.

Mixed kind of feelings about this because a truly talented position coach shouldn’t bounce around the league the way he has. However:
- he was given a lot of credit for putting together a solid OL for the colts last year
- his departure from NE seems more related to brining an all time great position coach back. The NE OL when he was running it wasn’t horrible, just not as good as Scarnechia (sp?).
- He was ok to good in Miami 2009-2011, but not so good in 2017.

 

In 2016, I think Deiter played Center all season. I'd be interested in knowing how his PFF grades were at that position, because to the naked eye he looked really solid. He definitely should never play LT in the NFL, unless it is a dire emergency.

 

A lot of us were really hoping the Dolphins would draft Chase Winovich in the 2nd/3rd round area. He went one pick ahead of the Deiter pick. At the time, many reactions were that the Dolphins had to settle for Deiter because the Pats swooped in and stole Chase one pick ahead. That was sort of my initial reaction too, but I'm thinking now, as badly as we need interior OL, it is quite likely Deiter would have still been the pick even if Chase was still on the board.
A few years ago, the Pats drafted plug and play LG Joe Thuney with the 78th overall pick, which was where Deiter was taken this year. Let's hope Deiter becomes for Miami what Thuney is for the Pats.

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/michael-deiter?id=32194445-4913-7530-3932-9da3d6c8f088

It looks like he's got a little more than a full college season at Center, just broken up over two seasons.

 

He never played on the right side, so I hope the Dolphins don't do the typical Dolphins thing of the past and decide right off the bat to start him off at a position he's not played.

 

Yes, he was better at center. Playing center disguises some of his shortcomings in dealing with speed and one on one blocks.