Derrick Johnson on the trade block..for cheap
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padre31luxury_boxOPChiefs ILB Derrick Johnson is "available through trade," according to NFL writer Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Johnson has been in and out of the doghouse and lost his starting job to Demorrio Williams. The former No. 15 overall pick in the 2005 draft has battled injuries throughout his career and hasn't come close to his potential. It's pretty clear what Todd Haley and the new regime think of Johnson.
For fun, a look back at the 05 Combine:
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/lookback2005combine.htm
Linebackers and Ends:
1. OLB Shawn Merriman didn't run, but his weight is up to 272. I hope we will see at his pro day how fast he is at that weight. Enough hype Merriman, let's see some numbers.
2. Derrick Johnson: Ok I am not going to dog him out anymore, yes his 40 times was only slightly better than average at 4.56, and he didn't bench, but his other numbers were out of this world. He had the second fastest 10 yard split (1.63) and 20 yards split (2.72), but he had the fastest 20 yard shuttle with an impressive 3.87.
3. OLB Jonathan Welsh came out of no where to impress at the combine. Nice size at 6-3 244, he had a 40.5 VJ and a 10-10 BJ. He also blazed the fastest 20 yard split at 2.70 and a respectable 4.63 forty.
4. OLB/DE DeMarcus Ware was a complete stud. At 6-4 251 he had the fastest 60 yard shuttle (10.93), and the fastest 3-cone (6.83).
5. OLB Derek Wake looked athletic with an amazing 45.5 VJ and a 10-10 BJ.
6. OLB/DE Jonathan Goddard didn't have a great 40 at 4.72 seconds, but his 10 yard split (1.65) and 20 yard split (2.72) was excellent.
7. OLB Daryl Blackstock didn't have very good straight line speed with a 4.73 forty, but he had the second fastest 3-cone drill at 7.05 seconds.
Wow has Merriman fallen from the heights, he was available for a 2nd round pick, and Derek "Cameron" Wake, I'm still surprised he was not drafted.
adamprez2003forum_veteranI would seriously consider trading for Derrick Johnson
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
azfinfanmangluxury_box"adamprez2003 wrote:
I would seriously consider trading for Derrick Johnson
Really? What would you trade is the question.
I think he is perhaps a bit better than what we have.... pretty much another Crowder. Dont know that I would give much up for that.
padre31luxury_box"adamprez2003 wrote:
I would seriously consider trading for Derrick Johnson
Well, he has been benched more or less, and KC is medium dreadful, which makes me wonder if he cannot play for KC, how can he play for us?
adamprez2003forum_veteran"azfinfanmang wrote:
Really? What would you trade is the question.
I think he is perhaps a bit better than what we have.... pretty much another Crowder. Dont know that I would give much up for that.
I think he's at least another level or two above Crowder. I would try to package a 3rd and Ayedele. Derrick Johnson simply doesnt get along with Haley. He hasnt been playing like crap. He's got the tag of underachiever but thats because they expect him to be a top five linebacker. His main drawback is injuries IMO. I would do this in aheartbeat if we can get him for a 3rd and a player that isnt in our long term plans
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
adamprez2003forum_veteran"padre31 wrote:
Well, he has been benched more or less, and KC is medium dreadful, which makes me wonder if he cannot play for KC, how can he play for us?
he wants to leave and doesnt get along with haley. the guy has been playing in alot of different schemes in KC. This guy has pro bowl talent but simply hasnt lived up to that billing. that is not to say he hasnt played well. he's played good but not great. i think he simply wants out of KC (can you blame him). Miami could be the perfect situation for him. I think he could be a monster for us and if we followed up by teaming him rolondo mcclain we would have the best ILB tandem in the NFL
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
padre31luxury_box"adamprez2003 wrote:
I think he's at least another level or two above Crowder. I would try to package a 3rd and Ayedele. Derrick Johnson simply doesnt get along with Haley. He hasnt been playing like crap. He's got the tag of underachiever but thats because they expect him to be a top five linebacker. His main drawback is injuries IMO. I would do this in aheartbeat if we can get him for a 3rd and a player that isnt in our long term plans
A third? He is so deeply in the doghouse that nearly any offer would more than likely be accepted Adamp, his problem is A) no special teams play B) injuries C) none of our guys have been injured and they already know the system we run.
DJ is not really in a position to push anyone off the roster.
byroanadminI would also see what they want for DJ and wouldn't mind sending Ayodele and a pick there to get him.
adamprez2003forum_veteran"padre31 wrote:
A third? He is so deeply in the doghouse that nearly any offer would more than likely be accepted Adamp, his problem is A) no special teams play B) injuries C) none of our guys have been injured and they already know the system we run.
DJ is not really in a position to push anyone off the roster.
He's better than any LB we have. Arent they asking for a 2nd for him? This is simply a case of a coach and a player not getting along. This has nothing to do with his talent
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
Stitchesluxury_box"adamprez2003 wrote:
He's better than any LB we have. Arent they asking for a 2nd for him? This is simply a case of a coach and a player not getting along. This has nothing to do with his talent
I like DJ, but wouldn't give up anything higher than like a 3rd, and even then it'd be tough to do.
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
padre31luxury_box"adamprez2003 wrote:
He's better than any LB we have. Arent they asking for a 2nd for him? This is simply a case of a coach and a player not getting along. This has nothing to do with his talent
Disagree, he does not know our defense, you saw the mess the first two weeks, how is supposed to just step in and know where he is supposed to be and what his coverage responsibilities are and were the Safeties will line up Etc?
And that is the difference between brining in a MLB and a passrushing OLB, the MLB has to know the system and where he needs to be, a passrusher can just head upfield on passing downs...
adamprez2003forum_veteran"padre31 wrote:
Disagree, he does not know our defense, you saw the mess the first two weeks, how is supposed to just step in and know where he is supposed to be and what his coverage responsibilities are and were the Safeties will line up Etc?
And that is the difference between brining in a MLB and a passrushing OLB, the MLB has to know the system and where he needs to be, a passrusher can just head upfield on passing downs...
well if he was that behind we could bench him for a couple of weeks until he got up to speed. we have torbor and we would do fine until johnson was ready. plus he's 27 so we could have at least five good years of football from the guy if not more
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
adamprez2003forum_veteran"Stitches wrote:
I like DJ, but wouldn't give up anything higher than like a 3rd, and even then it'd be tough to do.
yeah i agree. a player and a 3rd is plenty for the guy since he's i n haley's doghouse
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
Stitchesluxury_box"adamprez2003 wrote:
yeah i agree. a player and a 3rd is plenty for the guy since he's i n haley's doghouse
I don't think I'd give a player and a 3rd. A 4th and a player yea. Unless the player was like Dotson or someone who is typically inactive.
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
adamprez2003forum_veteran"Stitches wrote:
I don't think I'd give a player and a 3rd. A 4th and a player yea. Unless the player was like Dotson or someone who is typically inactive.
you wouldnt give ayedele and a 3rd? he would be replacing ayedele anyway
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
Muckretired_admin() Injury prone
() Doesn't get along with coach
Doesn't sound like a guy we'd trade for. I mean, he can't get along with a Parcells guy. He's going to get along with this one?
He's also in the last year of his contract I believe. So a new contract comes with him. That's a whole other quagmire of issues.
He's not a big POA guy anyway. He's a pursuit guy.
Make the throwback uniforms permanent!
Stitchesluxury_box"adamprez2003 wrote:
you wouldnt give ayedele and a 3rd? he would be replacing ayedele anyway
No, I wouldn't give up that much for him.
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
Muckretired_adminI don't want to get marginally better. I want to get MUCH better.
Does Johnson make us MUCH better inside? I have my doubts. We're probably better off waiting for the draft.
Make the throwback uniforms permanent!
adamprez2003forum_veteran"Muck wrote:
I don't want to get marginally better. I want to get MUCH better.
Does Johnson make us MUCH better inside? I have my doubts. We're probably better off waiting for the draft.
to me its the equivalent of a defensive version of a Braylon Edwards type of trade. If all he needs is a change of place to get motivated then you'll hit a jackpot. If not he's still better than Crowder and Ayedele and it only costs you a 3rd or so. Plus Parcells and his son in law get to do another deal together.
How many defensive coordinators and different schemes has he played in his five years now?
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
adamprez2003forum_veteranYouTube - Derrick Johnson Career Highlights Pt. 1
Watch the play above at 3:30 lol where he sticks with cotchery on pass coverage for 30 yds down field
YouTube - Derrick Johnson Career Highlights Pt. 2
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
Zeke0123forum_veteranwe need a stack and shedder not another scrape and chase type...jmo.
ToddsPhinsNew Member"padre31 wrote:
Disagree, he does not know our defense, you saw the mess the first two weeks, how is supposed to just step in and know where he is supposed to be and what his coverage responsibilities are and were the Safeties will line up Etc?
And that is the difference between brining in a MLB and a passrushing OLB, the MLB has to know the system and where he needs to be, a passrusher can just head upfield on passing downs...
I seriously doubt he could play any worse than our current shlep who also doesn't seem to know what the heck's going on, so what's the problem. LOL
I'd rather bring back ZT than corrupt my eyes with another blown Achin play. ;)
adamprez2003forum_veteran"Zeke0123 wrote:
we need a stack and shedder not another scrape and chase type...jmo.
we need someone who can cover running backs and tight ends. Derrick Johnson can cover receivers lol
2019 DRAFT WISH LIST
1) DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
2) DE Jaylon Ferguson - Lousiana Tech
3) OG Chris Lindstrom - Boston College
4) CB Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
5) DE Shareef Miller - Penn State
7) C Sean Krepcz - Nevada
7) RB Wes Hills - Slippery Rock
Reporter: "Why did you fire Coach Gase?"
Ross: "Because he wants to win now"
texanphinaticforum_veteranMy big question ... is there any Chiefs player NOT in Todd Haleys doghouse? And the big question, does he put HIMSELF in the doghouse for his abysmal coaching?
ClipseNew MemberA 3rd and Ayodele for Derrick Johnson? Lol? I'd have to think about giving up a fifth for the guy. IF we ran a 4-3 sure, but it doesn't look like he can play in a 3-4.
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