More.....

bolder.....

 

They just need to keep developing him. At some point he will figure it out or not.

 

I think this in particular is where we see Parcells' influence.
This is how Parcells the coach was with young QBs. Very reluctant to remove the handcuffs and let it fly.

 

What happened to the running game this year?

1 touchdown in 6 games is embarrassing.

Henne may have had one of his best 5 games in his career but Ricky and Ronnie did not.

 

The offense has to play within its ability and right now, IMO, we don't have the capability at WR, TE, or RB to allow us to really be "bold" (outside of Marshall)..... and if Brandon is doubled then it's difficult to be as bold with him as we'd like.

Hartline needs to become our #4 and we imperatively need to find a true #2 who can stretch the field so that everything can properly fall into place...... b/c Brian doesn't seem to scare anyone.

 

Add Bess to your list. The kid's a big time producer.

 

I thought this thread was going to have something to do with Anquan Boldin

 

And he bears gifts for the other team.

 

Bess is a weapon, no doubt there.

 

Totally agree..... but I personally don't put him into the mix as far as players you can really be "bold" with. He's an elite possession receiver but not the guy you really want stretching the field with often.

 

:lol: I mean :pity:

 

Not true. Bledsoe's first couple year he was consistently at 600 passing attempts and over. The assumption about parcells is that he is a run first guy who will not let it fly but he showed when he had a pure passer; and Bledsoe was the best pocket passer he coached, he would let it rip.

The problem right now is not Henne, its Henning. I've defended Henning much of the way but the Vikings and Jets games irked me before yesterday and now after yesterday I'm at the end with him. He's got to go. He has become unoriginal, unimaginative and unbearable at best. He was fine to bring Henne along with and good for Pennington with his conservative nature but the leash has to come off Henne cause this kid is throwing up ratings in the mid 80s and low 90's most weeks. This week he was 94 but they never once challenged Pittsburgh vertically.

 

Good point, but guys like Bess make it easier to be bold with the other players. He takes pressure off the weapons.

I am really beginning to believe the key ingredient this team is missing is Speed in the backfield.

At the start of the season I thought we could do damage with Power and Possession - but it just isn't working well. I would love to see a Bush type back who can play in the Slot, work a screen, and just throw defenses off, and perhaps even help us in the return game.

 

Dude, youre great and all but you one retentive fella. The grammar police has arrived and thy name is Stitches :lol:

 

who did we have to challenge pittsburgh vertically? all of our receivers run 4.5s.

 

He looked pretty impressive b1tch slapping Clark on the sideline this weekend.

And oh by the way...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d8157de2f/Davone-Bess-Highlight-WK-17-vs-Steelers-2009

 

That's my #1 wish at this moment: to trade up for AJ Green.

 

You dont need a speedster per se when you have height like Marshall who will go and get it. The jump ball is one of the most effective plays for tall receivers right now. Guys like Moss, Owens and C.Johnson have basically made a career of it in many ways

Also Hartline has on occasion turned in a big play 20+ yards downfield. never tried it once.

The Steelers play a 3-4 zone blitz scheme and often deploy cover three but at times used cover two and cover zero in this game. Henne recognized the coverages fairly consistently throughout because he checked down regularly and did not come close to having a ball picked really. The problem was the playcalling all the way. They never ran a man past 25-30 yards with intention of that player as the primary target on the play from what i saw.

 

i would do cartwheels if that happened :lol: tell you the truth though i wouldnt mind a fast RB with our first and someone like Bosie State's Titus Young with our 2nd. Now that we've built the defense I wannted I can give you your receivers. :tongue2: and let us not forget a freaking tight end already

 

We have no second thanks to the Marshall trade. We need to move down from wherever we are in round 1, grab an extra mid round pick to make up for this. There are perimeter players at WR and CB all over this draft. We need to look TE early. We need a seem-busting TE. Fasano is too caught on being a blocker first or trying to run over people when he does catch the ball.

And I doubt you will ever see a Parcells/Ireland led team go after an RB in the first. Never. Going. To. Happen. Not from a guy who found or helped develop gems like Joe Morris, Curtis Martin, and Marion Barber in round three or later. The only time he ever used a first on a RB was to acquire Curtis Martin from New England and bring him to NYJ. :wink2:

 

i like the jump ball to marshall once or twice a game. dont want to do it too much because the odds are its a wasted play more likely than a completion but it should be thrown every game just to test them. and marshall will come down with a few of them. the problem i see is the red zone though. i dont really see us having a problem moving the ball the way we're playing now. its only when we get into the red zone that we shut down and i dont believe its henning. people seem to forget the passes to marshall that henne missed in the end zone. henne isnt a pin point passer. he's got decent accuracy but not pinpoint. i really think we need john jerry back to get the run game going in the red zone especially so teams cant flood the passing lanes and we need to spend the next three weeks in practice overemphasising red zone passing with Henne. We have to get him comfortable throwing into tight spots and a little more accurate

 

WR, RB and TE WOULD BE NICE. Maybe the number one rated center too if he can run block and pass block

 

Gotta be know for something. :lol:

 

known :tongue2:

 

Henning is part of the problem and the lack of a really good receiving TE is another problem. The problem is this offense does a lot of max-protect stuff which I dont mind but you need to use the TE in the red-zone and too often Fasano is kept in to block.

I agree we need Jerry back as he was probably our third best lineman after Long and Carey this season. But Jerry has actually been better run blocker by far and has been our worst pass blocker by a longshot according to Pro Football Focus.

Agreed but instead of C I would look at Logan Mankins in free agency and maybe reducing Carey's cost or cutting/trading him if need be. Berger has been tolerable at C but the thought of Long-Mankins-Berger-Jerry-Carey or even Long-Mankins-Berger-Incognito Jerry is just daunting. Get a running back who has some burst and vision behind that and you could be running for days especially on the left side.

 

i just dont see it. henning dialed up a nice back shoulder pass to marshall in the end zone that henne missed. i believe there was another pass to marshall in the back of the end zone that peyton manning or tom brady might make but not henne. i just honestly dont know what else henning can call to improve the results with what we have. i think we have to improve the play on the field, the execution. i think thats the culprit not the plays called. jerry might help. if jerrry helps our run game, then i think you'll see our red zone offense take off because defenses wont be able to key on the pass

 

nice. one more piece is on the oline would be so nice

 

I can't agree with adding a TE to the offense if he's expensive. Bess is best in the slot and Fasano is solid. Add in the RB and two WRs and that's a full formation. I'd rather spend on a larger down the field threat like what Vincent Jackson is a large, fast guy that can compliment the possession receivers or even a six foot tall outright speedster.

Jacoby Jones? Basically a Mike Wallace clone is what we want to find. Then we'll see the team take off. As for the draft I have a feeling we'll take a tackle and move Carey to LG to hammer to the left every damn play.

 

I think Henne needs to be "bolder" with Henne. I think our regiem there has talked so much to him about ball control and not turning the ball over that he is scared to death to try and fit a ball in to a reciever. Those are the kind of passes that turn into TD's, most of the time if you have an open reciever its not going to turn into a TD unless its blown coverage deep.

They have to give Henne the chance and free reign to get the ball down the field and not be scared to maybe throw a pick every now and then. He's throwing them now with under routes so why not let the guy use his best asset his arm strength? You can turn the ball over a little more and not worry as much when those same passes are getting you more points.

 

hahahahahahaha

 

Damn whats with all the bashing on Henne? I thought he played a good game against the #1 Defense in the league.

 

he did, its the way the offense is ran/called that has people scratching their heads

 

Since we don't seem to emphasize the TE much in the passing game, I personally feel a major upgrade at #2 WR would impact more.

 

I'd prefer Carl Nicks personally...... but Mankins would do. :tongue2:

 

I really think if we had gotten Mike Martz this off-season we'd see bigger numbers from the offense. The Bears suck because of their O-Line, but our pass protection is definitely solid enough for Martz' system.

If your QB has a 94 rating, and you only put up 22 points, with 15 of those being FG's, that screams that you were too conservative. Even if you throw a pick on one of those drives, but score a TD on one of the drives that ended in a FG, you've come out ahead on points. Gotta take chances against elite teams.

 

My sentiments exactly. A seam busting TE would be awesome (if we currently had a #2 who scares defenses deep). Sure Hartline can make a move to get deep from time to time, but he's not a true vertical threat. An explosive TE still wouldn't solve our deep threat b/c teams don't seem to fear Hartline in 1 on 1s.

I'm have the same feeling from time to time about us drafting a RT and moving Carey inside. My darkhorse pick is the monster, Marcus Cannon, from TCU.

IMO, in this pass-happy era of football, if a team has an opportunity to grab an elite WR, they should jump all over it, even if it means trading some picks to do so. Look at what Nicks did to Dallas last night...... and then what Dez did to help Dallas get back in the game. I also don't think we have the luxury of waiting for one to fall to us b/c IMO our offense won't take the next step forward and become a true scoring threat until #2 is upgraded.

 

You do realize that throwing an INT means the other team is more likely to score, right?

The only thing Mike Martz would have done would make us think Chad Henne is a bad QB.