Again, until we know the details of the contract, we have no context about how bad/good the deal is for the team.
Similar to all the hoes at ESPN shouting about how wonderful Tom Brady was for taking his big paycut until you found out how much of the new contract was guaranteed. Of course, that's much easier to swallow when you have one of the greatest players of all time.

 

I'm sorry, but the mercedes money isn't going to Brian Hartline. That looks to be going to the one trick pony Mike Wallace. Brian Hartline is simply getting secondary receiver money in this market.

I find it hilarious at those of you who think $6-7 million is grossly overpaying for Brian, but $12 million isn't overpaying Mike Wallace.

 

This might be arguing symantics, however Bess is "NOT" a deep threat. Hartline may not Wallace deep threat, however he is a threat to go deep.

 

99.99% of the time defenses aren't changing their coverage scheme for a WR. "Taking the top off a defense" is a tactic, not a tactical plan.

 

Agree except 12 million is over paying for Wallace.

 

They're paying #2 WR money for a #2 WR.

 

Don't agree really. Defenses play their scheme. Actually a good example here is when Pittsburgh played the Jets last year. If you want to stop Mike Wallace, then play a lot of cover-2. Rex Ryan didn't do that, they played their scheme.

 

He's getting Miles Austin money, which is a fair deal.

The mistake will be if we stop here and don't add more talent.

 

If a one trick pony has 32 tds, does that mean bhart is 1/5th of a trick pony?

 

if that is the case then we WAY over paid. Austin has scored over 30 TD's over the past four season averaging almost 8 per season. Austin is also averaging 970 yards per season during that same time. Hartron is averaging 688 per and 1.5 TD's. Austin and Hartron are not even in the same ball park production wise. IMO Austin is a true #2, Hartron is a piss poor #2 or a good #3.

 

I will take his one trick… which appears to be scoring TD's… which is how you win games.

 

And then when his speed leaves him, you have a no trick pony that can't do anything on the field because he didn't master the art of route running and doesn't have a physical bone in his body.

So let's overpay because of this perception that we need a guy with his speed that can't do anything else. Let's limit the offense within the scheme to running only 2-3 routes at his position because that's all he can run effectively just so we can appease the fans and get his speed on the field.

 

A few things skew these numbers.

Nobody seems to know that last year Tony Romo SHATTERED previous Cowboy QB passing numbers, and considering the guys that put those numbers up, that's VERY damn impressive.
The ENTIRE Dallas Offense has been pass oriented for the last several years, and especially when D-Murray went down hurt last year.

One thing that does speak well about Austin's numbers is the fact the guy has been hurt more than healthy the last 2-3 years.

 

The thing about Wallace's skillset is that it fits perfectly with Ben Roethlisberger. Wallace is a guy that needs time to get open, and Roethlisberger is one of the greatest ever at buying time in the pocket.

 

You overpay for Wallace because you don't really have a choice, Ireland has sucked balls at finding playmakers himself so now he has to steal them away from other teams, which means we have to shop in the expensive world of free agency because we don't have a guy that can find a Wallace type in the 3rd round like Pittsburgh's GM Kevin Colbert did.

There is only one Wallace on the market. on the other hand, I can find another Hartline, he's not a #2, he's a #3 that was force-fed the ball and therefore had a 1,000 yards. Brandon Gibson, Kevin Olgetree, Devery Henderson, Domenik Hixon are all free agents, what do you think they'd put up if I threw the ball their way 130 times? Oh and I bet none of them would cost us 6.5 mil/yr.

 

The only one that had a higher yards per target than Hartline was Hixon.

You're essentially saying that there are 70+ WRs better than Brian Hartline.

 

What about those of us who think those numbers represent overpaying both players?

 

There might be 70+ better or there might not be, I don't know, I'm just saying I feel like there are comparable WRs available in free agency that if given the opportunity could put up similar numbers to the guy. but the key thing is these guys can be had for like half or even less than half of what Hartline wants from us.

 

It's fair if you think Hartline = Miles Austin. IMO, Austin is quite a lot better.

 

Is Hartron his nickname or something?

If not, I'm really not being facetious...I've never heard that.

 

The past 42 games the Dolphins have scored 803 points
Hartline has scored 12 of those points over the same 42 games

 

I don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss Hartline. He runs a sub 4.5 40 and he's only 26yrs old with 4 seasons under his belt. During those 4 seasons how many coaches and QB's has he had? Look what Brandon Marshall did here and then look what he did a year later in Chicago. Chemisty has to be built between a QB and WR.

I do not think $7 mil (if that's truly the pay) is overpaying for Hartline...especially after seeing him last season and expecting he will only get better with Tanny throwing him the ball.

 

I didn't realize we have been talking about baseball this entire time

 

If you'd prefer I can say he's getting Josh Morgan money.

 

The Patriots nearly doubled that point total in their last 42 games. The problem wasn't/isn't all on Hartline. The entire offense is to blame for this lack of production.

 

If he was only a #3, and considering our WRs were so lacking overall, wouldn't forcing him the ball mean he was getting it most often while being blanketed which would lead to a low ypc? Yet somehow his YPC was #8 out of the top 20 targeted WRs.

Shouldn't other people who were "force-fed" the ball ~125 times going to hit 1,000 yds, such as Mike Wallace, Jeremy Maclin, Donnie Avery, Brandon Lloyd, Larry Fitzgerald, and Justin Blackmon? Especially since they just had to do better than a #3 WR.

 

that is the troubling part.

 

I don't think that's a great example. They played their scheme because they still had Revis at the time, in addition to Cromartie. Not every team has that luxury.

 

C-class Mercedes? :shifty:

 

Except when that's what he does regardless if he's the #1, #2 or #3 receiver. He doesn't score and its a systematic, consistent thing. He's virtually allergic to it. Brian Hartline does what he does per catch, regardless of position, QB or offense. He didn't have a breakout year...he had the same year just more targets.

If you need consistency, then fine, its hard to get more consistent than Hartline, but dear god in heaven, 1 td and ok yardage is not worth 7 million.

 

I can see the argument everyway

If we do indeed sign hartline, sure he doesn't score tds or break tackles often BUT he was tannehills only consistant target, not sure I want to take that away, even if you replace him with someone better.

Now adding Wallace would hold a safety and give everyone else favorable matchups but I could see us going the way a Jennings(a lil cheaper) and know that we have 3 very smart WRs with Bess. We can supplement in the draft and add some more pieces.

Yo guys would probably hate my prefered route but would you be happy with

Jennings, hartline, Bess Binns and at least 1 rookie

Clay, Fasano, fauria, egnew

This could be attainable.

I use the 1st three picks on CB, ol, wr

My problem is picking between Rhodes or Cooper at 12

 

I'll be surprised if he gets $7M per year.

Also, consistency on the football field is a very desirable trait IMO.

 

One trick pony? I counted at least ten tricks in this video.

[video=youtube;jDz1e_QzswE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDz1e_QzswE[/video]

As far as Hartline is concerned, the only number that really matters is the guaranteed money. You can always trade him down the road if one of the prospects surpasses him.