Just wondering. What would be the pros and cons of drafting Cam Newton?
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Pro - Good player
Con - KB21 would flood the message board with constant complaints for as long as Cam is a Miami DolphinDisgustipate, Bpk, High Definition and 7 others like this. -
last nights game did nothing to change my mind. a bigger, perhaps slightly more accurate version of Vince Young. i see him struggling in the NFL.
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Pros- Great potential
Cons- Wouldn't Suprise anyone if he's a bust.
Forecast.... fine at 15 joke if traded up for. -
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I think he plays right away. Maybe only part time at first, but I definitely think he plays immediately.
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Con -It would cause KB to have a coronary.Frumundah Finnatic likes this. -
Pros: Big time upside, would energize the fan base
Cons: Bust potential
Ultimately I'd rather Blaine Gabbert, but I think it's come to the point for the Dolphins where they need to take a big risk for a potential big payoff at QB. The Dolphins have gone the safe route at QB making moves for veterans and second tier QBs in the draft. That hasn't worked out for them. They can keep going along that path and hope to eventually get lucky or they can make a bold move and invest in a big time prospect. Newton has his warts as does Mallett and there is certainly the potential that these guys bust out and set the franchise back yet again. But this team has been worried about taking a risk like that for about a decade now and they still sit in mediocrity without a QB. There is certainly a risk there, but if this move pays off you have a big time QB for the next decade and will probably be in the playoff mix and potentially the Super Bowl mix with the right moves made around it. I just think the time is here to be bold at QB and swing from your heels. If you strike out at least you go down swinging. But there's also that chance you hit a big time homerun. -
Pros: Good athlete.
Cons: Poor mechanics.
I'm with Ricky'sBong on this one. :lol:
I watch Cam Newton and I see Vince Young.
Perhaps a specialty player at the next level but as a QB...... Bust.KB21 and Ricky'sBong like this. -
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Cam newton is like a HUGE vince youngtexanphinatic likes this. -
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Anyway, back on topic.
Pro: Good passer and getting better all the time; very athletic; sky-high ceiling.
Con: Not ready to plug and play at the NFL level; will probably have a rocky beginning; not the 2011 franchise savior.Stitches likes this. -
Pro: He Just Won The Heisman and Won the Championship Game.
Con: He Might have his Heisman revoked for receiving illegal benefits and have to give up the championship.
I think the pros somewhat outweigh the cons, but his character and those around him are to be in question.
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Pros: Great potential in a specific system
Cons: Limited to one system and may never be even a good NFL passer
I know many don't agree, but I don't see him as a better prospect than Vince Young was when he came out. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that I think the odds of Tebow developing into a good starter are better than Newton's. People were all over Tebow's mechanics, but it was really just a loop in his throwing motion. That's not as difficult to fix as when you have to change a release point. I think that Tebow's footwork and balance is superior. I saw Tebow throw into tighter windows than Newton has had to. I saw Tebow throw on time. Now I watched more Florida games than Auburn games so maybe Newton has also been asked to and succeeded in throwing in rhythm, but I haven't noticed it in the 3 or 4 games of his I watched. I also have no questions about Tebow's character and work ethic. I can't say Newton's are bad, but it would be naive to ignore the red flags. -
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-extra-0112-20110111,0,4018250.story
Tony Sparano on the necessity of QB mobility in terms of creating big plays. Excellent article if you want to have some informed speculation on what the new offense will look like.
Long story short, it's going to look an awful lot like one that can be quarterbacked by Cam Newtonsports24/7 likes this. -
I actually saw a comparison video that had Leftwich opposite Tebow both with a timer. They really weren't that close, Tebow's release was much faster. I'm trying to remember the QB whose release time they compared it to, but it was a QB that had been much more successful than Leftwich. Tebow's release would never be considered quick, but it won't be something that prevents him from succeeding.
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Henne is basically Drew Bledsoe. Berardino’s overreaction is to go out and get Vince Young. Why not a happy medium like an Aaron Rodgers or a Philip Rivers? That’s the kind of QB we should target. -
Pros: NONE
Negatives: Not a drop back passer; can't read a defense; doesn't go through progressions; passing offense is based around quick throws and pre determined reads; no pocket presence; can't feel pressure; too quick to break out of the pocket and run; thinks run before anything else
Conclusion: A tight end playing quarterback. Some team is going to fall for the athletic ability, but the GM and coach that takes him will be out of a job within the next 3 years.Killerphins and Ricky'sBong like this. -
I like this KB21 guy. sharp.
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We'll see. I'll be surprised if he succeeds over a significant stretch of time.
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Sometimes you DO have to take a risk but it's still important to take a calculated risk. When your chip count is getting low in Poker you sometimes have to go all in but you might still wait a few hands and do it at a time that maximizes your chance of success, not just randomly on the next hand.
In my opinion we DO need to take a risk but I would take that risk by trading back this year multiple times to gain extra picks next year and then go all in on a Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley. If we're going to gamble the franchise (and i think it's time we do, not much to lose at this point) then I would rather do it sensibly on a QB with a higher probability of success.KB21 likes this. -
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Delay another year with no certainty you can get either qb?
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doesnt matter he wont be a miami dolphin
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dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member
No one knows if they do , and to be honest they probably don't as of yet , too early in the process.
Like you , I feel Miami did no favours to Henne , however I can't say I expect him to be what I hoped he would .
I like Newton , as of now , Miami needs to do all they need to do to see if they do indeed feel he is "the" guy. Picking 15 sets up the possibility get him , who knows if next year they are in a better position or not. Yet another year removed , and I think less chance to hit on the right QB if we do the hope to get lucky thing again in round 2 or 3 or ...
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Am I the only one that thinks comparisons to Vince Young's playing ability isn't the worst thing in the world? I would gladly take in a Vince Young if he didn't have the baggage, aka suicidal tendencies and no desire. A quarterback with this kind of arm and mobility can absolutely become a weapon. The bigger problem would of course be the gimmicky offense, but I don't see a purer physical talent at quarterback in this draft. Yes we all love Gabbert, but what are the chances that the likely number one quarterback in the draft falls to the point where we have any chance at obtaining him?
The perceived baggage that would come along with Cam Newton is really more similar to the issues that Reggie Bush had, and he's been a non distraction for the Saints.
Also winning games should never be undervalued when it comes to assessing quarterbacks, case in point Sam Bradford v. Jimmy Clausen.
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