If flip those three. Luck, Tannehill, Wilson. Luck is his team at this point, Tannehill has been his team but the team overall has been mediocre, RW is a product of his system. I expect Tannehill to overtake Wilson in most rankings over the next 2-3 years.


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PFF stats are nice, but the grading system is flawed, this is a great example of that, how can you take the system seriously when it makes huge flaws like leaving Luck out of the top 10.

 

Yea, I came to that conclusion early on, Bess, who I was a big fan of, was rated as the 11th best WR in the league, back in 08 or 09, and like I said, I was a big fan, but that was just ridiculous.

Just can't take the grading system seriously, the stats I do like, but no way would I pay for them.

 

Vs. Common opponents in their careers (Luck has yet to play the NFC South and Tannehill the NFC East).

AFC East
Luck: 77.0
Tannehill: 74.5

AFC North
Luck: 85.8
Tannehill: 90.8

AFC South
Luck: 92.3
Tannehill: 77.3

AFC west:
Luck: 89.7
Tannehill: 96.3

NFC North:
Luck: 75.6
Tannehill: 103

NFC West:
Luck: 91.2
Tannehill: 74.9

In 2014, ESPN's QBR (if you put stock into it) had Luck as the 13th rated passer w/61.5 and Tannehill the 16th rated passer a 58. Truth is, the difference between Tannehill and Luck isn't a gaping chasm that some people try and paint it to be. And it's painful to see Dolphins fans give props to Luck for "doing it alone' or whatever, ignoring the fact that Tannehill's offensive lines have ranked at the bottom of the league for two straight years. And turning guys like Brian Hartline into a 2x 1,000 yard receiver.




p.s. And before anyone tries to point out the QB rating vs. the AFC South, in effort to make them seem respectable, Tannehill's QB rating against that division is a bit deceiving, as his first game in the NFL was against Houston, and had two balls batted in the air for picks, and another where Legedu Naanee stopped a slant short and hung Tannehill out to dry for the 3rd pick. Otherwise, Tannehill has been pretty good vs. the AFC South too w/an 85 rating.

 

The AFC South is soft... You don't need to prop Luck up by pretending that division is respectable. It's not. Not yet, anyway. Almost 50% of Luck's stats came against that division. 12-0 in the last two years vs. the AFC South. And the Colts SOS over the last couple of years has been bottom of the league. And Luck was terrible against Denver in the playoffs last year. Peyton was injured and could barely throw 10 yard passes in one of the saddest performances I've ever seen. People were calling for his retirement after that game prior to learning the details about his quad injury. Andrew Luck has accomplished more than Tannehill at this stage of their careers, no doubt, but enough with the history rewrites to prop Luck up.

 

Agreed. All those things are true at this point. I never suggested Tannehill was better than Luck, but they're much closer than some people are willing to admit. Part that is because people want to make Luck out to be better than he is. And because people don't want to give Tannehill any credit because of a W/L record that somehow has been attributed to him and not the team.

 

Luck isn't elite. For three years, Luck's been a turnover machine in the regular and post season. When you're competing for the league lead in INT's and leading the NFL in fumbles, you're not elite. Right now, he's the best young QB in the game w/huge upside. I don't think the gap separating Luck and Tannehill is big enough to be described as another realm despite Luck being the better QB.

I've never suggested Luck has had elite weapons either. And you're right, I don't even know who Zurlon Tipton is. I can't believe that's a name of a real person. What I do know is, Luck has a had a better cast of talent around him than Tannehill. Reggie Wayne, T.Y. Hilton, Coby Fleener, and Dwayne Allen vs. Mike Wallace, Brian Hartline, Brandon Gibson, and Charles Clay is no contest. Not a single one of those guys even plays for Miami anymore. And for good reason. Both teams have made changes to improve their offenses, so we'll see what both can do under better circumstances.

If Tannehill's 6.9 YPA is pathetic, what is 7.1 YPA? That was Super Bowl winning Tom Brady's YPA in 2014. We all want Tannehill to throw more YPA. And with a respectable cast of receivers around him, expectations are that he will and should. We'll see soon enough.

 

**** Luck..there..I said it. Wouldnt trade Tanny for Luck. Luck is over rated....

 

Basically.

 

Im just saying, when all is said and done, I believe 17 will have just as good as stats as Andrew Luck. The ONE area I will say Luck is light years ahead of 17, and thats a big area in my book, is in swagger and confidence. Luck plays with swagger...which is why hes do damn good at coming back. He BELIEVES he will win. Physically, I dont think hes a better QB then Tannehill. If 17 gains that kind of confidence and begins to play with it....nobody will be wishing Luck was our QB. Thats the one thing holding Tannehill back, IMO. Swagger and Confidence.

 

If the defense does their job in a couple of games last year, we'd have made the playoffs. I wonder would people be saying Tannehill LED his team tot he playoffs then?

 

I know a couple posters who say that he did despite us being 8-8.

Good news is now and likely the next 4-5 years you can hild your chin up and say..."Ryan has led us to X".

This team is no joke and is ready to do great things.

 

The point being, the QB can't LEAD the defense. Meaning the notion that Luck has "led" his team to the playoffs while Tannehill hasn't, is silly.

Regardless of us making the playoffs this year or not, it doesn't change the fact that it is a team effort to make the playoffs or miss them and shouldn't be counted towards the QB's evaluation.

 

Hard to make the argument that Tannehill is better when Luck was at 7.7 yards per attempt last season. That's pretty amazing all things considered.

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There's also another area Luck is light years ahead of Tannehill - extending plays. He is great at shedding defenders and avoiding sacks. It is his biggest strength.

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Here is a link to PFF explanation as to why they put RT ahead of AL.
[h=1]WHY ANDREW LUCK RANKS OUTSIDE OUR TOP 10 QBS (FOR NOW)[/h]

That last line is what rings true for me. Andrew Luck is a very good QB, he just isn't as good as many people give him credit for being. From the time he was drafted people have been putting him in the elite category and while he has been good he hasn't turned the league upside down with his performance on the field. He has all the tools and as he grows he may turn into the QB he is hyped up to be or he may have already hit his ceiling. Only time will tell but like every other player, let's let Luck earn his stripes on the field.

 

You need time to throw. According to PFF, we had the 31st worst pass blocking offensive line last year (along with the Vikings, we also were in the bottom 10 in sacks, hits & hurries). We only had time for short passes. That lowers your YPA. There's simply no denying that.

 

Yes, Tannehill played well enough for us to have made the playoffs last season. Literally, if the defense had made a couple plays in two games, we win those games and are in the playoffs, and Tannehill's stats are no different. I also understand that the offense didn't always come through, just giving the flip sidea of the argument.

 

It's crazy to me that people simply ignore how quickly Tannehill had to get rid of the ball...and ignore that the receivers were garbage at getting YAC...yet want to complain about ypa, as if that is purely a state that the QB controls.

 

Yep. All on Tannehill. No egregious drops in any of those games. None of those teams rushed 4 guys and got insane pressure. Nope, none of that happened.

 

Why bother fielding 10 other people on offense?

 

I think RT17 has more confidence than people may think. I think he shows it differently. This year it's more obvious and he'll show it even more. He is coming into his own now.

 

I'm not spinning a thing.

You are holding Tannehill solely responsible for the last 3 games. You are doing that.

The problem is you make silly claims and can't handle people questioning them.

 

QB has a great deal of responsibility over protections.

Either way, I don't think Andrew Luck had more talent around him than Tannehill.

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Who said they were ignoring it? Almost every QB has mitigating circumstances they have to compensate for.

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and Luck put up 17 points against Houston and 7 points against Dallas before getting back on track with 27 points against Tenn over that same three weeks. Maybe he was channeling tebow those first 2 weeks as well.

 

There was no spin or off topic stuff there. The other 10 players on offense are integral in any discussion about wins, losses, or play from the quarterback.

Yeah, they do. And I would argue that QBs shouldn't be held accountable for a loss when their teammates don't do their jobs. For the record, most teams aren't generating insane pressure with only 4 linemen, causing a QB to have to throw it or scramble in under 2.5 seconds.

Yes. Like I said, QBs shouldn't be criticized for their teammates losing games.

 

By all means, explain how you weren't holding Tannehill solely responsible for those outcomes.