Aikman was 7-19 in his 1st 26 starts.

He became great. He certainly didn't start out that way.

Just saying.

 

Matt Ryan is great right now though.

 

eh I wouldn't say aikman was great. haha.

 

Boy the Browns made a mistake by passing on Brady Quinn and taking Joe Thomas instead.


Or wait, did the Raiders make a mistake by passing on Joe Thomas for JaMarcus Russell.

 

Anyone else get the feeling that nobody even looks at Jake Long's performance when they say these things? It's almost like Jake Long is the one that is just good while Matt Ryan is the great one. However, it's pretty much the opposite I would say. I'm not saying we shouldn't ever take a franchise blindside protector over a franchise quarterback but in this specific case, I feel like Jake Long gets overlooked.

 

I think it has to do with people thinking that a qb is the most important position on the field, which is debatable really. I can understand the argument, but I don't think its as clear and cut as people like to think.

 

We knew it was going to happen from the beginning. If Henne panned out, it would of been the right choice, if not, then the wrong choice.

 

He's doing very well for sure.

Would be be doing as well here though?

 

Wanny couldn't solve the QB issue..... HC career in the NFL over

Saban couldn't solve the QB issue..... HC career in the NFL over

Cameron couldn't solve the QB issue..... HC career in the NFL over

Sparano couldn't solve the QB issue..... HC career in the NFL hanging on by a thread and if he doesn't solve it this year.....over


Left Tackles don't lead teams to SB's....... QB's very often do

 

Which would be great if you hadn't had not so great qbs lead their teams to superbowls. Even if you are willing to believe they just were bad *** that year, it still takes your argument from its the most important position to you just need someone to have a good year at that position that year. You can say that for most positions really. And pretending like all those coaches just left because of qb problems is not telling the whole story.

 

I thought the Long pick was the right pick at the time. He definitely was the "safe pick." But, in retrospect, and even though I think Big Jake is one of the best left tackles in the game today, I think Ryan was the correct pick. He's everything that he was advertised to be, and is well on his way to being one of the best young QB's in the game today. And, QB is the most important position on a football team. Now, would he have been as good in Miami? Who knows. But, IMO you don't pass on franchise QB's when you have the chance to grab one. Henne could still end up being a good QB. But, he's never gonna be Ryan good...ever.

 

ANY of those coaches mentioned finds a franchise QB and their careers in the NFL are at least prolonged...... including the one currently coaching the team...might not have been "everything", but it was deff the biggest issue.

And those "not so great QBs" made one trip to the SB..... they don't keep their teams in contention every year.

Settling for a mediocre QB and building a team around him that is so good it doesn't matter, might work on occasion but it's certainly a poor strategy...

Can you name a Left Tackle that led his team to the SB?

 

Exactly, we have what may be the best LT football and people want to seriously are even mad about that. Folks Jake Long will retire in Miami with about 10 pro bowls.

Ryan is a stud don't get me wrong but no way is he as successful here, ecspecially when his blind side would be comprised.

 

You can say that about any position. If they find a great running back and win games with him they stay in the nfl longer. Theres more to those stories then you are letting on.

Never said they were great qbs. Point is not great qbs have won the super bowl.

Settling for mediocrity in most positions is "poor" strategy.

Depends what you mean by led. If you mean did a great job look no further then matt light. Let me ask you this, do you depend there is such thing as a system qb?

 

I remember Beck looking like a paint stripe on the highway behind that awesome line. If nothing else Ryan would have either become the ultimate scrambler or a David Carr behind that mess.

 

eh, id rather blame our medical staff for not green lighting brees. we have the best LT in the nfl. he's a lot of things, but i dont think a mistake is one of them.

 

Jake Long is not Mandarich. Thus, this argument is moot.
People need to stop with the what if's. It's really getting annoying. If we want to make so many what if statements, why not bring up ANY of the number of drafts where we drafted someone who BUSTED instead of a QB who (at least at one point) was or became good? Why do people pick on Jake? There are much better QBs out there than Matt Ryan right now, why not go back to the drafts of those QBs and nitpick those?

such is offseason life.

 

Nobody's saying Jake ain't great. Nobody. It's just that quarterback is the more important position and the toughest position to fill.

Without a really good QB, you have to be so overwhelmingly good in other areas to even have a chance at going to the dance.

And even then, you can get mowed down by New England 45-3 because their QB will slice you up like a surgeon.

Give me a top QB any day of the week. Easily the most important position on the field.

 

Who knows.

He's got a better supporting cast up there. But he also makes the guys around him better.

I think WE'D be doing better, no question.

 

Not to mention how many times did we see WHOEVER was at QB blindsided and turn the ball over???

That went on for way too long....

Jake was the right pick.

 

on a quick perusal of draft histories, any of these arguments would be a better what if than the current one, at least in my eyes:
07- Kolb over Ginn
06- Cutler over Jason Allen
05- Rodgers over Ronnie OR Orton, Cassel, Fitzpatrick over Roth
04- Schaub over Carey
02- Garrard over Seth McKinney
01- Brees over many, including Jamar Fletcher
00- Bulger or Brady over Todd Wade
98- Hasselbeck over John Avery

now, I know many of these QBs were "gems" and weren't touted as reasonable picks at the time to take in Round 1, but if people want to play the what if game, why not use any of these? I'm gonna start the "we should have taken Matt Schaub over Vernon Carey" thread. Schaub is arguably better than Matt Ryan, and Carey is certainly not as good as Jake Long.
Boom. Roasted.

 

This:

This argument just doesn't make sense, your position isn't practical ..... and using Matt Light doesn't help your argument, it helps mine.

I'll just say this, Jake Long will not save Tony Sparano's job this year...... good play at the QB position most likely will tho.

Oh and I'm a big Jake Long fan........ but from the minute both he and Henne were drafted, this argument hinged on Chad Henne.

Henne pans out it was the right move, he doesn't then the pick should have been Ryan.

And for those saying Ryan wouldn't have been any good here? Good QB's make even the worst teams better.....

 

Why are we putting stock in someone's opinion who was responsible for, Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe? Especially when he has the benefit of hindsight?

 

:yes:

 

I agree, however, if your board rated Ryan & Henne nearly equal, then you make the play that nets you, what you believe to be nearly equal QB value AND an all world LT.

No one really knew if Ryan was going to be head and shoulders better than Henne.

Point is, they may very well have made a mistake at the evaluation level, but for the info they had, they made the right call. More QBs are busts than not, after all.

 

While I agree Muck that same NE Qb also has plenty of time in the pocket to make those plays.

 

Lacewell doesn’t know if it was Bill Parcells or Ireland who made the call on Long in Miami, but he contends it was the wrong choice.

They can say what they want now,it makes them look like a genius.In hindsight it was the proper move and a building block to stability.
Who the ____ knew what was going to happen in the course of the next few years.


Next he'll say that Ryan IS the next Aikman.

 

Aikman, another great QB but a great QB with great protection.

 

The only person I remember advocating Matt Ryan that year around here was Adamprez. Most everyone else either wanted CLong, Dorsey, or JLong.

 

This is Tony Sparanos Miami Dolphins and anyone who knows football knows this teams most important position on this team is place kicker :-)

 

The scout says in the OP that your chances of finding a good LT are much better than finding a stud QB. Ryan, from most scouts opinions WAS a franchise QB when he came out. We decided to pass on him and we (and Sparano) are suffering from that decision.

So when you get a chance at one, you have to take him and gamble a little. But we know this regime is all about safety and conservatism. And its that cautiousness that will be their downfall.

 

I'm proud to say I wanted Jake from the start.....

Not so proud V.Gholston was my 2nd choice.

 

O the irony....

 

:lol:

 

The Long pick was absolutely the right pick. Ryan has been great but so has Long and at the time we needed a sure thing and Ryan didnt seem like one. Its really that simple.

 

Ryan was highly touted but certainly not considered a can't miss prospect...now he turned out great, but we did well ourselves.

 

Matty Ice had his doubters and I think Parcells was one of them.Long was the safe pick but probably not the right pick.

We would be talking about Parcells legacy on his way to the HOF right now instead of accusing him of being a quitter who left his job unfinished and chosen managers high and dry.

 

There's no irony there. Ireland was the number two guy during those decisions. For all we know they weren't his call. Further, Ireland may have been gun shy about QBs based on his former boss' decisions. That's actually the irony.