First time in my life I am not watching superbowl

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Oh god, this is insufferable.

People are unable to identify the nuances of the game and understand the defensive concepts, so they just chalk it up to cheating b/c the don't know otherwise. Some of you should be embarrassed.

Enjoy your pity party.

Safe to say you root for the Patriots as soon as the Phins are eliminated from the playoffs? Since your such a fan of greatness and all and seem like just a genuine Pats fan in general.... Actually on second thought, your new here.... are you a Pats fan?

Either way, I think you belong at patsfans.com

You might be in he wrong spot, they are talking about BB’s greatness over there buddy. We are talking logically about how known factual cheaters are still cheating over here (like 95% of non Pats fans are doing/wondering today)..... Take care now.

Pats oline holding all game long.Jags should have had double digit sacks.

"shamegame13 wrote:

Safe to say you root for the Patriots as soon as the Phins are eliminated from the playoffs? Since your such a fan of greatness and all and seem like just a genuine Pats fan in general.... Actually on second thought, your new here.... are you a Pats fan?

Either way, I think you belong at patsfans.com

You might be in he wrong spot, they are talking about BB’s greatness over there buddy. We are talking logically about how known factual cheaters are still cheating over here (like 95% of non Pats fans are doing/wondering today)..... Take care now.

Anybody that roots for.pats in any shape or form has no business on this site!

This is a riot. Some of you actually think 31 other teams, their owners, coaching staffs, players, and all, just sit idly in submission as the Patriots supposedly cheat their way to dominate the league for the past 17 years.

Okay

"ripper1961 wrote:

Pats oline holding all game long.Jags should have had double digit sacks.

Went both ways here. The refs were lax in calling the trenches.

"shamegame13 wrote:

He revolutionized the way(s) Of cheating. Butler heavily benefits from it.

Gilmore too, apparently.

Damn rocket shoes.

Must read for the Patriot vs Jag conspiracy theorists.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Must read for the Patriot vs Jag conspiracy theorists.

I have a very sad thread for Jaguars fans. It's about the 4th quarter, situational awareness, play calling and predictability. Stay tuned for the very end, where these issues were (unfortunately) highlighted last June.

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) January 22, 2018

You say Patriot vs Jag conspiracy as if the Pats have never been CAUGHT before. They have. That’s FACT!!!! I love how you argue as if they are a choir boy franchise and never been proven guilty of multiple rules being broken.

Honestly, your a Pats fan right?

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

I love football first and foremost, it's an amazing human chess match, and the Dolphins are my team. I greatly admire Belichick and his approach to the game; he's a football genius. I don't hate greatness.

I can respect that because yeah, I have some respect for Belichick as well. But you bring up the lip reader plus the deflated footballs, the illegal formations, the hacking radio signals in stadiums, the stealing of other team's playbooks, the hiring of opponents players for a single week before their game and then firing them (after they're interviewed by the lip reader- who I hear is incredibly intelligent)...you add all that up, and how good is Belichick without it?

But we haven't even got to NE's true trump card, if you will...and it's not Tom Brady or Gronk. It's Robert Kraft being best buddies with the league administration, heading the group that decides Goodell's paycheck and the RIDICULOUS amount of influence he has over the league.

I know for A FACT that Miami, Baltimore, Indy, Pitt, and at least 5 other teams filed "unofficial" complaints with the league last year over forms of cheating and every time, they were told to shut up and deal with it. And you may ask, well...why didn't they file official complaints, air their case to the media and make a big stink about it? The answer is simple- Robert Kraft. The league owners follow him like sick puppy dogs and if he wants someone out, they're out. Steven Ross doesn't own shit when it comes to having an equal voice as a team owner- you rock the vote and you're forced to sell (as in the Carolina Panthers circa 2018).

The league is terribly corrupt because Kraft has way too much influence. Players, owners, refs...even the freaking commissioner...they're all scared to cross him. And that's why Belichick is so darn great- he knows that he can work outside the rules just a touch more than anyone else because nobody in their right mind would call him on it.

Like I said earlier, it's the freaking WWE all over again- and I don't call that greatness.

Sure, Goodell and Kraft are such good buddies that Goodell went on a witch hunt and great lengths to suspend his QB.

You folks are something else.

"pumpdogs wrote:

My nightmare has come true eagles vs pats in SB.
I am not sure which team I hate worse.
The eagles fans up here in the northeast are the most annoying on the planet
The pats have ruined my love for football.
I am really debating for the first time in my life not goimg to any parties or even watching game period!
I had such high hopes for.the fins this year also.2017 really sucked for.football.I guess 2018 can't get any worse.

Same here. I live in the Philly burbs, and Eagles fans (and there are lots more of them these days) are insufferable. I will never actually root for the Patriots, but at least if they win, the braying donkeys around here will be quiet.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Sure, Goodell and Kraft are such good buddies that Goodell went on a witch hunt and great lengths to suspend his QB.

You folks are something else.

A witch hunt? Two teams in a row file complaints and they got caught red-handed in playoff game #3. When there's a witch hunt, you actually kill the darn witch...not hand them a Lombardi trophy.

Why would the other owners in the NFL fall in line with Kraft if his cheating is pervasive and detrimental to their teams?

I agree Kraft is influential but all these owners have egos and bottom-lines. Two major reasons they want their respective teams to be winning. Kraft's cheating puts them in a losing situation which means loss of fans, advertisers, interest, and ultimately revenue. Plus bruised egos.

Sure they love money and ratings (having a popular villain) means money but once again I don't see the pros outweighing the cons. Hence I don't buy that narrative.

Plus we heard all the reports with DeflateGate of several owners hating the Patriots and justice being served. Now that, combined with the other transgressions of Spygates past, are wiped away? Ehhh....

Truth is, the Pats do cheat (as do other teams) but they also have exceptional coaching and talent evaluation. Put it together and you have this dynasty.

Winners and home teams get calls. You hear how LeBron, Jordan, and Kobe always get/got the calls. It's known home teams get more calls due to human nature.

So yeah the Pats cheat but you can't discredit all their success to that. Hell, the Browns could have the other team's playbook and the other QB's wife held hostage and still lose.

You could argue the cheating has been just enough to win key moments and hence key games but even then it's dicey. Ultimately, I think the Pats' cheating has enhanced their legacy but not defined it. There should always be an asterisk but also due respect paid as well.

"KeyFin wrote:

A witch hunt? Two teams in a row file complaints and they got caught red-handed in playoff game #3. When there's a witch hunt, you actually kill the darn witch...not hand them a Lombardi trophy.

Good thing they "caught"him just in time before the SB and forced to play with properly inflated footballs which hindered his play . . .

Oh wait, his proficiency actually increased and he now has two more SB rings (and one game away from another) since the incident. Well, there goes that theory.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Good thing they "caught"him just in time before the SB and forced to play with properly inflated footballs which hindered his play . . .

Oh wait, his proficiency actually increased and he now has two more SB rings (and one game away from another) since the incident. Well, there goes that theory.

So if I rob a bank tomorrow but I really don't need the money, then the cops won't arrest me? Awesome! We should all cheat and steal all the time then!

I could care less about his proficiency or his overall talent- cheating is cheating and I do not endorse it.

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Good thing they "caught"him just in time before the SB and forced to play with properly inflated footballs which hindered his play . . .

Oh wait, his proficiency actually increased and he now has two more SB rings (and one game away from another) since the incident. Well, there goes that theory.

So why'd they do it?

I mean, if Belichick is genius, then why did he risk so much on cheating, when he's already superior?

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Good thing they "caught"him just in time before the SB and forced to play with properly inflated footballs which hindered his play . . .

Oh wait, his proficiency actually increased and he now has two more SB rings (and one game away from another) since the incident. Well, there goes that theory.

Simple as trying new forms of cheating to substitute for the one they got caught doing. It’s a reoccurring theme in NE.

I will not be surprised if we see members of the organization spiking the opposing teams Gatorade one of these days or maybe they come out with spiked shoulder pads next.

I definitely won’t be surprised when I see a ref slap Fletcher Cox with a steel chair right before he sacks Brady. It’s getting that obvious with how the refs favor NE. They don’t even hide it.

"KeyFin wrote:

So if I rob a bank tomorrow but I really don't need the money, then the cops won't arrest me? Awesome! We should all cheat and steal all the time then!

"Carmen Cygni wrote:

Exactly what I was thinking- when you can't win an argument over why it's okay to cheat when your team has a great coach/QB, throw out a Disney GIF and hope that nobody notices.

By the way, like I alluded to in our conversation yesterday- I freaking love to argue! And this kind of arguing is encouraged on this site because we're attacking each others thoughts and words...not each other. So please don't take this personally because it's not meant to be- I've just never met anyone before that would openly admit to being a Patriots fan while also rooting for Miami. If Gillette Stadium burned down tomorrow I'd want to throw a parade (as long as the stadium was empty and nobody got hurt, that is)...that's how much I can't sand that stinking franchise.

"KeyFin wrote:

If you don't freaking hate the Patriots, I almost don't see how you can be a Dolphins fan. The two go hand in hand.

stop Key...why should I hate watching them?, I mean I wish I had their coach and qb...please don't say the cheating part..

They cheated and deserved their punishment.

But to dismiss the greatness because of that shows a ridiculous amount of FANDOM as opposed to logic.

Cheating didn't make a 21 yard pass on 3rd and 18 in the 4th

"KeyFin wrote:

Exactly what I was thinking- when you can't win an argument over why it's okay to cheat when your team has a great coach/QB, throw out a Disney GIF and hope that nobody notices.

By the way, like I alluded to in our conversation yesterday- I freaking love to argue! And this kind of arguing is encouraged on this site because we're attacking each others thoughts and words...not each other. So please don't take this personally because it's not meant to be- I've just never met anyone before that would openly admit to being a Patriots fan while also rooting for Miami. If Gillette Stadium burned down tomorrow I'd want to throw a parade (as long as the stadium was empty and nobody got hurt, that is)...that's how much I can't sand that stinking franchise.

There's a difference b/w being a fan (of which I am of the Dolphins) and being appreciative of great coaching and accomplishments (that of which I am concerning Belichick).

My love of defense has drawn me to one of the greatest minds and strategists in the game - Bill Belichick. (Bill Arsnparger, Bill Parcells, Dick LeBeau, Pete Carroll, Rex Ryan, Nick Saban, Don Brown, and others too). After all, BB's game plan from SB XXV sits in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

As Rex Ryan, another fantastic defensive mind, put it, "There's very few coaches that I steal from, but Bill Belichick is one of them. He is so creative what he does coverage-wise, how he looks at things, puts traps out there. The guy is an amazing coach. Best coach in football - it's not even close. That's a guy I will study".

Me too, Rex, me too.

"sking29 wrote:

Honest question (sincerely):

Why would the NFL "fix" a game for the Patriots and do so in an obvious way?

Was the obvious part accidental in that the refs went overboard? The NFL needs a stud ratings team in the SB and not Jax v. Philly/Minny? Reparations for DeflateGate?

I don't dismiss the notion but I don't see it either.

The “Halo effect” is what we’re seeing. Short version is that people with reputations for being good get the benefit of the doubt and people without that reputatio don’t get it. The reverse, sometimes called the “Horn effect”, where people with bad reputations get treated more harshlyon 50-50 negative calls also is in play.

It’s not just in the NFL, but if you watch the soccer world cup you’ll see teams like Brazil and Italy getting all the calls go their way if they’re playing low ranked, non traditional, teams like the US or Australia.

"Pauly wrote:

It’s not just in the NFL, but if you watch the soccer world cup you’ll see teams like Brazil and Italy getting all the calls go their way if they’re playing low ranked, non traditional, teams like the US or Australia.

Still can't believe Italy and US failed to qualify for the World Cup this year. Italy is almost always one of the favorites to win it and has been in every WC since 1962, and the US is in arguably the weakest qualifying region (North America) with about as easy a path to qualification as you can imagine, qualifying every time since 1990. But then... LOLOL.

Kind of like NE not making the playoffs in both cases.

"djphinfan wrote:

stop Key...why should I hate watching them?, I mean I wish I had their coach and qb...please don't say the cheating part..

No, you guys need to stop ignoring the cheating.