I hope you are right man.

 

I think number one should be it's ridiculous to write off a draft pick because of limited rookie contribution. That isn't super rare.

 

Yeah, it wd be great for him to have a good second year. Man, if he could be starter that would really help us out.

 

With this it is I believe it until I see it.....

 

Really hope so. Can never have too many talented DB's and with the players we have that are going into free agency, we need the corner depth.

 

Outside of QB, corner is - perhaps - the hardest position to adapt to when coming from college to the NFL. The jump in athletes you cover on a regular basis, and the QBs trying to pick you apart compared to college (in most college games) is tremendous. Even relatively bad QBs like - say - Chad Henne, can pick you apart, and find your weakness on Sundays. On Saturdays, a lot of times, you are facing guys w/ weak arms, who can't read a defense. So giving up on a corner after one year honestly is absurd. It takes a good 2-3 years for these guys to really get their bearings. Look at Nolan Carroll. A good solid corner now, with still a little more upside yet to come, when he looked like hot garbage for a couple years.

And then you throw in the fact that Taylor was essentially injured his entire rookie year - a red shirt like the original poster said. We have no idea what this kid can or can't do. Hopefully he's healthy next year and can compete from day 1 and show his stuff.

Same for Will Davis to a lesser extent. I mean, even Revis took a good 2-3 years before he really hit his stride, and he was an elite prospect coming out of college.

 

I agree with all your points except the fourth, I don't think being a man of faith increases character whatsoever.

 

I do. Not always. "Elite character" was also part of it.

 

Its fine. I'm just not religious in terms of organized religion, and I've given back more to the needy and such than 95% of the people I know who are into it.

I always get slightly offended when people imply "being a man of faith" somehow makes you a better person. Some of the worst people I know are "men of faith" but I'd never make a broad assumption about them.

You either have high character or you don't, and beliefs IMO have nothing to do with it.

 

No way I've given up on that eval..he'll be a good player imo.

 

With the defense we are running today Jamar Fletcher would fit in much better. Man did Wanny suck!

I do not think of him as a rookie. He has a year experience of being a full time cornerback.

 

Agreed. There are just as many poor character people among people of faith as anywhere else. And just as many good character people who are and aren't people of faith.

 

A man of character does not always a good football player make. Very little correlation in that regard.

But you sold me on the red-shirt year.

 

Tons of catholic priests out there that are men of faith...

Sorry.

 

Then there are those that like to touch little boys.....

I'm with Alex44 & others, I don't understand why "man of faith" or "a persons religion" has anything to do with a person being high character or not.

 

This pisses me off when people crutch on that. Going to church or being a man of faith doesn't mean you are a great person and it certainly does not mean you are good at football or anything else. Jameis Winston was boasting about how God made it possible for Florida State to win that game against Auburn? Does that mean God is a Florida State fan? I really honestly wish people would leave religion out the conversation about peoples character makeup, and keep it in the church during their worshiping time. I live in the bible belt of the south, so stuff like this effects me on a daily basis. I've not gotten jobs because of my non denomination faith as they put it. Trust me, I've met plenty of wife beating, lying, cheating, philandering scumbags that go to church and boast about being a person of faith. F' outta here with that noise man....Jamar Taylor will either be a player for us or he wont. His religious beliefs have nothing to do with that in my opinion.

 

I agree, it's almost an escape route for people to take in my opinion. Become a man of faith and boast of the good Lord and all will be forgiven about raping a woman Jameis Winston.

 

You mentioned him being a man of faith as one of the reasons to believe that he will be a great player for us. Thats what we are talking about. Nobody is hating on religion or God, some of us are just calling out your reasoning as to why he'll be a good player. You are making it sound as if being a person of faith is actually a character quality and it simply is not. There are many good to great people and plenty of crappy people in this world faith or not.

 

You did say this

Agree, had he worded different & not used "man of faith" with high character, I doubt some of us would be talking about it.

With that said, I hope he does pan out for us. Would hate to waste another pick on a DB. I really don't like the fact Philbin doesn't like to give rookies a shot.

 

Why are you acting like you've been victimized somehow? It isn't personal. We just brought up the fact there are other ways to say it.

Its fine if think its a good thing. Noone is slamming your opinion, just saying it isn't the ONLY opinion.

 

I think Jamar Taylor will be fine at cornerback for us. He had injuries to start off which is never a good thing. If him and Will Davis are both healthy to start next season I don't have doubts about their abilities. I have faith that they can get it done. I know Ireland drafted them but both to me looked like good players in college so I'm holding out that they can get somewhere with us in the NFL.

 

Ever hear of Sean Smith and Vernon Davis? lol... JK. Hopefully both JTaylor and WDavis end up being better players than both of those guys. Was disappointing to get so little back in return from our rookie class. At least Carroll and Wilson played fairly well under Coyles tutelage. Hopefully the LBs improve as well.

 

I actually have a lot of hope for this group as a whole. I expect some of these guys to get much better, such as Sims and Jenkins. I think there will be an increase in snaps for most of the guys who played some time this year like Jordan and Sims.

 

What vitriol? If you're going to use a word like that you should be able to point it out. And, if you have any sort of proof of a correlation between faith and injury recovery I'd love to see it. If it's just your opinion, that's fine too. I don't have proof of there being no correlation, though that's my opinion.

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Nobody expressed any vitriol. Nobody expressed any hate. The only over-reaction was calling any statements here vitriol or hate.

 

I'd like to see some proof that somebody with an active faith (that is TRULY 100% followed, to the letter, no slipping up all week to just be forgiven come Sunday) is more likely to overcome adversity. Speaking for myself here, or course, and I'm not bashing religion, it does a fine enough job on its own.

Saying that God allowed you to beat another person on a football field is far past ludicrous in my opinion. That's why it makes me sick to see all these f***ing athletes with their, "first of all I want to thank God," crap. So your God only works for you, not the other guy on the other team that also has the same faith? Wow.........

But to keep it in context of the thread, I sincerely hope Jamar has a great, break-out year next year, it can only help the team immensely if he does. But you can bet your *** it won't be his God out there making the plays...it will be him and his ability.

 

I'm not a Moderator, but keep religion OUT of this argument. It has no place on this section of this board, ever.

 

I'm anti-theist, I'm probably not the person to be having this argument.

That said, discussing how a player thinks and acts is speculative, no one is in the players head. Religion was brought up as a reason for him "turning his life around", religion does not belong in this forum. There is a religion and faith forum. The fact faith was brought up led to an argument about said faith and religion in a football forum.

Experience from being a member of this forum since 2007 and being a member of a previous board run by the founding members of this board for 5 years before that has taught me something. When religion is brought into a topic it usually takes away from the topic at hand. If it had not been brought up in the OP, this thread would have never even discussed the topic. It would have stayed on topic, Jamar Taylor.

 

Jesus said "blessed are you when you are persecuted for his name sake". It is an honor for a Christian to be ridiculed for proclaiming their trust in Christ, and a proving of those that ridicule.

 

No one is being persecuted. Just like no one is prothletising. It's a fair point to say that faith could help with recovery and rehab. It's also a fair point to disagree. The placebo effect is real. Mental attitude is hugely important when it comes to the work needed to rehab. That being said, having faith in and of it's self doesn't mean that he is working any harder. Which is what the OP seemed to suggest.


I wish we could have discussions like this without the nonsense. You don't need to cite the bible and make this about your specific faith. You don't need to bring up nonsense about priests molesting children. Neither is relevant, and both turn this debate into something it shouldn't be.


Maybe I'm asking too much of the internet. Can't we all just have adult conversation?

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You should work for the WWF.