I didn't realize the Dolphins had the second youngest roster.

I think that puts the team's propensity to do dumb **** that loses them games while generally being quite competitive regardless of the level of talent in a bit better light.

 

Story of my Dolfan life

 

As good as this sounds, it will more than likely not happen... Remember after the 2009 season an analyst listed Miami as a possible Super Bowl contender? I remember, and man that 2010 season ended the exact same way

 

It all depends on the development of Tannehill really. If he improves over the offseason at this time next season, Miami will at least be fighting for a playoff spot.

 

Ironically, I don't feel like we have done a lot of dumb **** this year.

 

Ah, pain becomes pleasure if you suffer long enough

 

I went to Vegas that offseason determined to bet on dolphins to the SB. Marshall was signed 2 days before I left. The odds www 8:1, top 5 in the league

 

I don't know why the failures of the 2009 club have any bearing on next years.

 

Boy, he seems really down on Jeff Ireland and the moves he's made. :rolleyes:

 

Shou's lucky the forum doesn't charge to sit in the obnoxious peanut gallery section.

 

Hard to predict next year with so many UFAs and so many draft picks. Chances are Miami will be even younger next year than they are this year. I see 2014 or 2015 as more realistic chance to being legit playoff contenders. Assuming Tannehill develops.

I like Gil, but does he really think Tannehill has been getting better every game? I think the Jaguars game was definitely Tannehill's best. It helped to be going up against the 31st ranked defense. Did Gil really see improvement in the Bills, Titans, Pats, and 49ers games? The Seattle game was solid.

 

My name isn't Gil but I like our chances too.

 

That is not true at all. It's actually a stupid thing to say.
Do you really believe all the people on this forum who don't think Ireland is a good GM won't like it if the Dolphins are good next season? Really?
Look, it's no secret how I feel about Ireland, but it seems pretty clear he is staying. So I got rid of my Fireland sig and replace it with a more appropriate one. And now I am all in on Ireland proving me wrong and making me look like an idiot for wanting him fired.
That doesn't mean it will happen, nor does it mean I don't think we're better off without him. But the reality is he will continue to sculpt this team for at least one more season so I will support him during the offseason and hope he makes good moves. Once the offseason dust settles, if I still think the team is crap and Ireland hasn't sufficiently improved this team, my feelings towards him will be revisited.
But to insinuate that the Ireland detractors won't be happy if we're good next season is simply asinine.

 

Actually, I do believe that many here wouldn't be happy if the team won and Ireland was still here. They would enjoy the success of course, but would still complain that it was in spite of Ireland.

 

I find that hard to believe.
I can only speak for myself, but all I want is for the Dolphins to be a good and relevant again. If that is with Ireland as GM that's fine. In fact, it's great. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong.
It's the same reason why after starting last season 0-7 I wanted us to Suck for Luck. Having Luck would have made us good and relevant once again. Short term pain for long term gain.
Wanting to Suck for Luck after starting 0-7 and the season being over and wanting Ireland fired because I don't think he's a good GM don't make me less of a fan. Not being happy if we become good and relevant again under Ireland's tenure would.

 

I don't. But I can only speak for myself and how I would feel.

 

I don't agree. We are bigger fans of the team, than haters of Ireland. Myself, and countless others would gladly change their tune if that were to happen.



Actually, I do believe that many here wouldn't be happy if the team won and Ireland was still here. They would enjoy the success of course, but would still complain that it was in spite of Ireland.

 

Except many on here expected a 3-5 win team, and we've surpassed that.

So either, they hated Ireland because they thought we'd be a 4 win team or they just hate Ireland.

 

I thought we'd top out at 6 wins. Max.
So we're probably going to be one win better than I thought our max would be. (although Buffalo could just as easily beat us)
I will admit we're better than I thought we'd be.

 

1) We'll see, Gil. Forgive me if being lumped in with the Panthers and Browns doesn't get me excited.

2) Wanting the Dolphins to fail next year just because you dislike Ireland would be cutting off your face to spite your nose...

 

Just because I think Ireland is a back-stabbing toady doesn’t mean I don’t want him to succeed. One of his mentors gave him high praise. Big surprise.

A couple of months ago Brandt also said Ireland had no initial interest in Tannehill. But came around later.

There are currently 4 FA next year standing between Ireland and 0 for 18 in the draft during his 1[SUP]st[/SUP] two years.

 

In that scenario, virtual superhuman powers would be attributed to someone else (likely Philbin) in surmounting Ireland's perceived ineptitude. None of those people would be wrong by any means; they would just "shift" their perceptions to incorporate the new data.

 

Actually, I don't agree.

It was only 8 weeks ago when we were 4-3 and even the biggest Ireland detractors were coming around. Many still hesitant, but they were coming around for sure. I can only imagine if we managed to go 11-5 to end the year, or even if we accomplish that next year. I'd bet 99 out of 100 posters would admit he did a fine job in that scenario.

Man, I hope we're faced with that situation come December 2013

 

Me too, and I hate Ireland.

Actually, I don't agree.

It was only 8 weeks ago when we were 4-3 and even the biggest Ireland detractors were coming around. Many still hesitant, but they were coming around for sure. I can only imagine if we managed to go 11-5 to end the year, or even if we accomplish that next year. I'd bet 99 out of 100 posters would admit he did a fine job in that scenario.

Man, I hope we're faced with that situation come December 2013



Me too, and I hate Ireland

 

Dude, you need to learn to use the quote tag.
Your replies are confusing.

 

Sorry. Just went from longtime lurker to active poster. Will try to do better.

 

No worries. Just hit "Reply With Quote" and we're all good.

 

My recollection from that time was that while some came around, many were still banging the same drum or just not commenting in those threads. My observation is that people in general are more invested in their beliefs than they care to admit. Just about everybody will "say" they will adjust given new information, but every study on the subject I've seen and what I see here and elsewhere is that if they even consider new information, they give any that contradicts their belief very little, if any weight. Based on the vitriol often seen here, I would say that Ireland being a bad GM is now a "belief" for many. The only thing that would sway them is a SB win and even then, I would guess that some would continue their belief.

 

Can you explain in more detail what you mean in your last sentence?

 

In theory, a poster anti-Ireland will remain anti-Ireland unless an outside force acts on him, and a poster pro-Ireland at a constant level of support will remain pro-Ireland unless acted upon by an outside force.

In practice, there is no outside force sufficient to effect change in either case.

 

..... unless it's PSG's quote, which in that case just ignore it and proceed to the next.




















:p

 

That's because if the new information is contradictory to the belief, it's distorted, or "self-spun" if you will, in such a way as to confirm the belief.

Here's an extreme and satirical example, just for the sake of illustrating the point:



I mean you can certainly see it there, can't you? That's the problem with Jeff Ireland, right there! ;)

 

Brandt worked for the Cowboys and Ireland did as well. Ireland is his friend, what did you expect him to say ?

 

Exactly. Will I be unhappy if the team is a winner next year ? Of course not, and will I give Ireland credit - where its due yes - but do I believe he will do the things necessary this off-season ? NO I have zero faith in his ability.

Prove me wrong Jeff.