Griese/Morall Tannehill/Moore

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dolfan7171dolfan7171New MemberOP
Dec 12, 2016, 10:07 AM

There is some hope for us. Looking back to the '72 season, Griese got hurt and Morall stepped in and kept winning. Fast forward to now, we can see the same situation with Tannehill and Matt Moore. I think Moore can keep us winning and get us into the playoffs. Am I the only one who believe this?

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DolPhinPhan7DolPhinPhan7forum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 10:13 AM

Moore has the weapons, and can hit the deep ball better than Tannehill. But his mobility isn't an asset.

He's got a week to man the first team offence. I'm hopeful they'll, at least, beat the awful Jets.

But, I think, comparing him to the QBs of the early 70's Dolphins is a bit much.

How about comparing him the Scott Mitchell and Steve DeBerg? Remember that sad era in Dolphins history?

GalantGalantforum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 10:17 AM

I don't know if Moore can keep us winning. What I can say is that for some reason I'm not scared by the Tannehill injury. It's not that I'm anti-Tannehill, if anything it's the opposite, I generally like him. I think it's more a combination of three other factors.

1 - Injuries suck but they happen. This is football. All teams have to deal with them. This is true for the Dolphins too. I find it far worse to see the team struggling with things they can correct rather than those they can't. For example, too many penalities, or stupid unsportmanlike conduct stuff.

2 - Gase has had a big impact on this team. This season was often referred to as an evaluation year. Well if there's a silver-lining here it's that Gase will get a solid chance to evaluate all aspects of this team now, by seeing two QB's at the helm etc. And us fans will see that too. Best case scenario, the Dolphins under Moore do far better than expected.

3 - Thinking long term, looking at this as an evaluation year, I'm happy with a great deal I've seen this year. The playoffs will be/would have been a nice bonus. My personal desire is to see this team trend upwards and develop lasting success. That doesn't happen in one season. So for me that mitigates a lot of this.

So I hope to see Tannehill bounce back, asap. However, in the long term these events could actually server to strengthen the team under Gase.


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KeyFinKeyFinforum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 10:34 AM

The ONLY thing that worries me is that Moore hasn't played meaningful downs in 5 years. I never doubted his leadership or talent though, so this may end up being a good thing for our team. Gase wouldn't have been able to evaluate Moore otherwise and Tannehill gets a huge bump in pay next season. So all we can do is see where this leads.

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DODolphins Dadforum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 10:57 AM

Moore is not mobile enough. Our line will get him killed.

FameFameforum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 11:16 AM

"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:

Moore has the weapons, and can hit the deep ball better than Tannehill. But his mobility isn't an asset.

This stereotype needs to just die already.

Last I checked, Tannehill was Top 5 in the league this year when it comes to throwing the deep ball, so unless Matt Moore is going to break NFL records for his accuracy on throws 20+ yards then I seriously doubt he's better than Tannehill at throwing deep.

Matt Moore also hasn't been a starting QB since 2011, so the QB he used to be is no longer the QB he is today.

dolphin25dolphin25forum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 11:21 AM

"Fame wrote:

This stereotype needs to just die already.

Last I checked, Tannehill was Top 5 in the league this year when it comes to throwing the deep ball, so unless Matt Moore is going to break NFL records for his accuracy on throws 20+ yards then I seriously doubt he's better than Tannehill at throwing deep.

Matt Moore also hasn't been a starting QB since 2011, so the QB he used to be is no longer the QB he is today.

Moore will throw it more for sure.

Lord help us.

dolfan7171dolfan7171New Member
Dec 12, 2016, 11:41 AM

"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:

Moore has the weapons, and can hit the deep ball better than Tannehill. But his mobility isn't an asset.

He's got a week to man the first team offence. I'm hopeful they'll, at least, beat the awful Jets.

But, I think, comparing him to the QBs of the early 70's Dolphins is a bit much.

How about comparing him the Scott Mitchell and Steve DeBerg? Remember that sad era in Dolphins history?

Oh I'm not comparing them to those guys. I'm using the situation with both QB's being hurt and the backup finishing the job.

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dWreckdWreckNew Member
Dec 12, 2016, 12:04 PM

"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:

Moore has the weapons, and can hit the deep ball better than Tannehill. But his mobility isn't an asset.

He's got a week to man the first team offence. I'm hopeful they'll, at least, beat the awful Jets.

But, I think, comparing him to the QBs of the early 70's Dolphins is a bit much.

How about comparing him the Scott Mitchell and Steve DeBerg? Remember that sad era in Dolphins history?

Yeah no. Moore is no longer 'better' than tannehill at ANYTHING. it is a downgrade in every quantifiable/measurable aspect of the position. can he get it done? maybe if the team comes to play. His one leg up over Tannehill USED to be the deepball. that used to be true, but it's not anymore.


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dWreckdWreckNew Member
Dec 12, 2016, 12:05 PM

"dolphin25 wrote:

Moore will throw it more for sure.

What does this even mean? with Moore starting its almost a guarantee we will be running the ball A LOT. He is a turnover machine that didnt even do that well in preseason.


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resnorresnorforum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 12:06 PM

"Fame wrote:

This stereotype needs to just die already.

Last I checked, Tannehill was Top 5 in the league this year when it comes to throwing the deep ball, so unless Matt Moore is going to break NFL records for his accuracy on throws 20+ yards then I seriously doubt he's better than Tannehill at throwing deep.

Matt Moore also hasn't been a starting QB since 2011, so the QB he used to be is no longer the QB he is today.

Yep, these narratives just never go away.

MrPhinnMrPhinnforum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 12:15 PM

Poor, Moore. He got thrusted into a difficult situation. Last month of the season when teams up their play cause they're fighting for spots, his wife had a baby this week, first 2 games on the road against division rivals, the first being Saturday on a shorter week, and the added pressure of getting us into the playoffs. He was thrown into the fire for sure.

dolphin25dolphin25forum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 01:33 PM

"MrPhinn wrote:

Poor, Moore. He got thrusted into a difficult situation. Last month of the season when teams up their play cause they're fighting for spots, his wife had a baby this week, first 2 games on the road against division rivals, the first being Saturday on a shorter week, and the added pressure of getting us into the playoffs. He was thrown into the fire for sure.

He will be ok.

Lord help us.

mor911mor911forum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 03:20 PM

i think they lose to the Bills and Patriots. Beat the Jets.

9-7

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As mor wisely said

Jt0323Jt0323moderator
Dec 12, 2016, 03:23 PM

"mor911 wrote:

i think they lose to the Bills and Patriots. Beat the Jets.

9-7

How I see it playing out too. Hard to be mad either. Yeah teams deal with injuries, but losing your starting QB and having a guy who hasn't played in 5 years is no easy task, especially division games, which are always tough. Just ask the Seahawks with Rams. This is not a knock on Moore. I think he'll be respectable.

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mor911mor911forum_veteran
Dec 12, 2016, 03:37 PM

"Jt0323 wrote:

How I see it playing out too. Hard to be mad either. Yeah teams deal with injuries, but losing your starting QB and having a guy who hasn't played in 5 years is no easy task, especially division games, which are always tough. Just ask the Seahawks with Rams. This is not a knock on Moore. I think he'll be respectable.

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But I also wouldn't be surprised or mad if they lose out and end up 8-8. It's a crappier situation than I think people realize. IF he only beats the Jets, I'm happy with that. If he goes 2-1 I would be on the moon. If he goes 0-3, then fine it is what it is.

yesssssssssssssssssss

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As mor wisely said

Jt0323Jt0323moderator
Dec 12, 2016, 08:39 PM

"mor911 wrote:

But I also wouldn't be surprised or mad if they lose out and end up 8-8. It's a crappier situation than I think people realize. IF he only beats the Jets, I'm happy with that. If he goes 2-1 I would be on the moon. If he goes 0-3, then fine it is what it is.

completely agree. Going 0-3 with Tannehill, I am concerned, going 0-3 with Moore, a QB who has not started in 5 years, yeah im not to concern, just thinking, what if

THTheOneforum_veteran
Dec 13, 2016, 01:05 AM

"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:

Moore has the weapons, and can hit the deep ball better than Tannehill. But his mobility isn't an asset.

He's got a week to man the first team offence. I'm hopeful they'll, at least, beat the awful Jets.

But, I think, comparing him to the QBs of the early 70's Dolphins is a bit much.

How about comparing him the Scott Mitchell and Steve DeBerg? Remember that sad era in Dolphins history?

"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:

Moore has the weapons, and can hit the deep ball better than Tannehill. But his mobility isn't an asset.

He's got a week to man the first team offence. I'm hopeful they'll, at least, beat the awful Jets.

But, I think, comparing him to the QBs of the early 70's Dolphins is a bit much.

How about comparing him the Scott Mitchell and Steve DeBerg? Remember that sad era in Dolphins history?

THTheOneforum_veteran
Dec 13, 2016, 01:06 AM

If Matt Moore plays like Scott Mitchell did with the Dolphins then there in the playoffs.

PAPaulyforum_veteran
Dec 13, 2016, 04:17 AM

No love for David Woodley and Don Strock?

The_Dark_KnightThe_Dark_Knightforum_veteran
Dec 13, 2016, 05:57 AM

"DolPhinPhan7 wrote:

Moore has the weapons, and can hit the deep ball better than Tannehill. But his mobility isn't an asset.

He's got a week to man the first team offence. I'm hopeful they'll, at least, beat the awful Jets.

But, I think, comparing him to the QBs of the early 70's Dolphins is a bit much.

How about comparing him the Scott Mitchell and Steve DeBerg? Remember that sad era in Dolphins history?

Not exactly sure how to respond to this, so I'll let the numbers speak for themselves as to Mitchell and DeBerg.

1993, we all lost our breath when Marino went down with a torn Achilles tendon. Scott Mitchell came in and on the season was 133/233 for 1772 yards, 12TD and 8 INT. Miami finished the season 9-7, just missing the playoffs to Pittsburgh who also finished 9-7.

Steve DeBerg, a quarterback in which many say "who" actually ranks in the top 20 all time in passing attempts, completions and yards. His hands were so large that it allowed him to fool defenses with his play action passes...sticking the ball WAAAAAAY out to the running back before tucking it with a flick of his wrist....and just a side note; remember the Leon Lett blunder on that snowy Thanksgiving Day game that ended up giving Miami the win? DeBerg quarterbacked our team. Not bad for a guy who was signed just that weak after Mitchell was injured the weak prior

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Dec 13, 2016, 08:14 AM

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DolPhinPhan7DolPhinPhan7forum_veteran
Dec 13, 2016, 08:42 AM

The Dolphins were 9-2 after that miracle Thanksgiving win. They finished the season 9-7 and out of the playoffs. They completely choked away that season.

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Dec 13, 2016, 08:53 AM

"Two Tacos wrote:

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Agreed.

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"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

Agreed.

It had to be said.

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