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It's official, he gone.
Schefty on MNF with the report saying more emails including going after Goodell (using a homophobic slur), LGTBQ, women, additional racism (beyond using racial tropes regarding appearance of De Smith) and more. Also that the language was similar up through emails as recent as 2018.
Edit: It's apparently super hard for certain forum posters here to accept a world that doesn't appreciate racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. Go figure. They are super tough guys who are really sad they can't say that stuff anymore.Last edited: Oct 11, 2021 -
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Statement from Jon Gruden: “I have resigned as Head Coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. I love the Raiders and do not want to be a distraction. Thank you to all the players, coaches, staff, and fans of Raider Nation. I’m sorry, I never meant to hurt anyone.”
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Coaches who think teams shouldn't draft the "queers" is probably going to be in trouble
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Pulling a email from 10 years ago when the guy wasn't even employed by the NFL.Irishman, Phin McCool, hitman8 and 1 other person like this. -
And I grew up in a better.era where everybody is not so sensitive.U all called each other names and didn't need a box of tissues afterwards.
This generation is soft and the rest of the world is sitting back laughing at us!Irishman, Phin McCool and hitman8 like this. -
Theres actual dolphins fans asking to hire gruden now and fire flores… they dont know how this works. Gruden is banned for life. Hes never getting a head coaching job again
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Guys, what on earth?
I've just cleaned up this thread.
Are we not able to talk like adults any more?
The rules here are pretty simple and longstanding. They boil down to, 'be respectful'.
Please do that, and if you can't, then walk away and post at a later time when you can do so respectfully.
This is not a forum for everyone to vent every last thought and emotion. If you want to do that, go start a blog somewhere. Don't do it here.
Thank you.
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You call it woke culture
I call it not being a racist, homophobe, and misogynistic
too bad we can’t go back to the old days when being those are accepted. Right boys? SMHbtfu149 and Silverphin like this. -
Don't know why my comment was deleted. But...
If all these people who think Gruden is being fired because of "wokeness" or "this generation being soft", then, by all means, go to your workplace and start saying the things that Gruden said in the emails. Tell me how that turns out.btfu149 likes this. -
You can legislate acts…things you actually do or say in the workplace for example. You can’t legislate morality…the things you think or believe.
Now I don’t know if these emails were private correspondence between Gruden and another person…I don’t know if these emails were part of a group email chain. If they were the former, as reprehensible as his remarks may have been, so what? It was a private correspondence between A and B. If B had issue with Gruden said, say something to him right then and there. Nip it in the bud.
If it was part of a group chain, Gruden lost the protection of privacy. When speaking to a group, you always risk offending someone.
Either way, this is 2021. These emails were supposedly in 2011. This is coming up now…WHY???? Is this normal life now…someone crawling up your asteroid with a microscope to find something…anything negative about you then to use against you today?
Every single one of us has something shameful in our past. Anyone who says they don’t is lying, but that shameful act, that shameful statement, that shameful thought or belief that you had then doesn’t necessarily define who or what you are today and if you are one of those who are diehard must punish anyone and everyone for past shameful thoughts or deeds, first look in the mirror and remember you’re living in a glass house. Not wise to cast stones in that glass house.
Everyone here loved “Chucky” and there was often thoughts brought up of brining him here. Now because EMAILS, he’s going to be typecast as a racist, sexist homophobe POS that should be burned at the stake -
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Guys - Can we keep this thread on the football/Raiders/Gruden side of things than the state of politics and culture in the USA and around the world? The latter, as you know, tends to go downhill and I've already had to clean out the thread once. I'd rather not have to do it again. Let's keep it to football, please.
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It was 2011, that was not ancient times. He was still an adult then. 10 years ago is not very long ago. It is not like he has apologized about it and moved on and they have come out.
Turns out Gruden is a huge Piece of S***. He is getting what he deserved for being a huge piece of ****.texanphinatic likes this. -
I see the other side as well- wrong is wrong and there are things that should never be said. But I can't agree with pressuring people to resign over their distant past.
One story that really got me was a local singer from my town who was on American Idol, Kaleb Kennedy. He's a teen country singer and was a favorite to win the show, but they kicked him off in the semi-finals because they found a 3-second video when he was 12 with a friend who had a sheet over his head. People said that the friend was wearing what looked like a klan hood. And that was it; he was "cancelled" by Hollywood. They didn't even give him a chance to explain himself.
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The Dolphins might still have more in the way of draft picks etc. if a HC wanted to bring about change.
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Even though its between 2 individuals what he said about Goodell and Sam whatshisname was just too harsh once it got out into the public. Never ever put anything in an email, a tweet or anything else that might be construed as over the top.
My only real regret about all of this is that it's too bad all this couldn't have happened before we played them.KeyFin likes this.
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