Quick question. I'm not a gun owner, not because I'm against them, but I never felt comfortable having them in the house with my older kid (who has now moved out). I've had someone snooping around my house in the middle of the night at least twice though this past week and that thinking has 100% changed...I'm buying something this week. Also, I'm in SC so there's no waiting time or anything.
Anyway, my neighbor has a 25 foot clay embankment on the back of her property that they specifically left for shooting so I can get proficient with anything. What do I want for basic home defense though? Shotgun? A 9MM? A revolver? The criteria are that I'm not spending much because I won't ever use it (maybe the $250-350 range) AND it has to be something that my wife and 16 year old daughter can shoot comfortably.
Other thoughts- the most likely use for the gun besides home defense would be rattlesnakes (good chance...we see 1-2 per year) or coyotes/bobcats (semi-decent chance...they're here but generally stay away). I welcome any opinions because this isn't my thing at all.
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In other words, if an angry elephant ever showed up, we'd have a fighting chance. =)cuchulainn and ToddPhin like this. -
I would HIGHLY recommend that you not go out and buy any gun on a whim. Take yourself, and anyone else in your house who may shoot, to a professional instructor and learn weapons safety first. Then, go to a range that rents guns and shoot a number of them. Then, buy a .22 pistol or .22 rifle and put a few 1000 rounds through it at the range. Then, decide what weapon you prefer. Personally, for home defense nothing beats a shotgun. Not a Granny from Beverly Hillbillies shotgun, but something like a Mossberg 500: https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/...hot-15mosa50012g20cbgspg/15mosa50012g20cbgspg
If you also want to have a little fun at the range: Glock 17
Basically, shotgun or a striker fired hand gun would be your best bet AFTER you train.
For the rattlesnakes, coyotes...any .22 caliber rifle would be best.jdallen1222, texanphinatic, Boik14 and 3 others like this. -
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Also you and your family need to think about something. Can you kill someone? Because if you pull a weapon on an intruder
in self defense, and you can't pull the trigger you're dead. If you try to wound them or scare them off same thing can happen.
Pull a weapon on someone you need to be ready willing and able to kill. And if you do, empty the clip, make sure the jobs done.
Lots of Law Enforcement types will tell you are better off getting a dog.
I feel you Key, I got rid of my weapons when we had kids, didn't want them in the house. Too many accidents. But I send my whole family off to a school every day. My two girls, my wife is a public school teacher, My brother in law and his wife are teachers, my mom is a teacher (retired now but she still volunteers a few days a week) and I'm ready to rearm.
I am a bit liberal when it comes to gun control. I don't think the average citizen needs an AR-15 and all the military hardware available so easily today. I think we need national regulation and background checks etc. I grew up with guns, when I was a kid we would bring our shot guns to school and rack them in the principals office so we could go bird hunting on the way home. Boy Scouts, Army etc. I've sent thousands of rounds down range. Sometimes at targets, and sometimes at "targets". Hard decision to make.
As far as weapon choice, for home defense, definitely the shotgun. Better odds of hitting something in a panic. Consider your "terrain" also. A 9mm bullet will go thru walls and can hit neighbors or others in your home that are behind your target. Shotgun gives you a wider kill zone with a much shorter range.Last edited: Feb 15, 2018jdallen1222, texanphinatic, Boik14 and 3 others like this. -
If you read what I wrote in the "Just to Talk" thread I go into detail what I think needs to happen and WHY the AR has become the weapon of choice for these people. However, an AR is no more deadly than most any other rifle.KeyFin likes this. -
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Shotgun. Big spread. If you're startled in the middle of the night you're going to miss with your pistol or not finish the job most likely.
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You could make an argument that all guns have a sole purpose of killing people. That's not true, of course. I have AR's because they are fun to shoot and I like shooting guns. And they are nothing like the weapons I shot while in the Marines. Not the M-16. Not the M4. Not a 249, 240, or MK 18. They don't function the same, they don't perform the same, they are not the same other than being able to fire a projectile. An AR is not an "assault weapon" no matter how many times some people say it is. A 249 is an assault weapon.
I think that if a person wants to own any type or caliber of firearm they should be forced to jump through a lot of hoops and go through training.Puka-head likes this. -
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I would caution anyone thinking that a gun will make them safer. Statistically that is not true. I'm not against guns and I can see the benefit in having one for rattlesnakes and other reasons, but every statistical analysis finds that your risks increase. And it's not just careless or untrained gun owners. Simply having a gun in the house increases your risk level. None of that means you shouldn't get a gun. I enjoy shooting. I believe individuals can make a personal risk assessment and decide something is worth it. I liken it to having a pool. Pools bring enjoyment but also increase risk. I believe there are many reasons to own a gun, but being safer is not one of them for most Americans. As to which gun, I agree with the Glock or something similar. To me the Glock is like a Honda car in that it's reliable, easy and affordable for most. There are better guns and people will have personal preferences, but I find that Glocks seem to be comfortable first guns for most people.
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Honestly, a .22, with a self-defense round, is perfect for home defense, unless the intruder is wearing body armor.
With a .22 you don't have to worry about stray bullets going through the walls of your home and hitting a family member. They're quieter than most rounds, so you can focus on your aim and not worry about the crack of the round breaking your concentration. It's a small round, so usually you'll be afforded a bigger capacity, which will give you more comfort in the amount of rounds you get in a home invasion scenario. Lastly, they're low recoil and accurate.
That's my 2 cents. Do yourself and your family a favor though, learn the ins and outs of gun safety before you even get one. Remember the 2 most important rules; finger NEVER on the the trigger until you're absolutely ready to shoot, and always keep the barrel pointed away in case of a misfire. Lastly, get a safe and keep that key on yourself, and nobody else, at all times.KeyFin and eltos_lightfoot like this. -
Assault bat
Assault screw driver
Assault car
Assault spoon
The only weapons, true weapons, that are made specifically for "assaulting" people are what you'd find in any military armory. They are full automatic rifles with select-fire capabilities. Yes, some civilians go through the lengthy process, and have the $10K+, to own these types of weapons, but an Ar-15 is not an "assault rifle".cuchulainn and KeyFin like this. -
Every single discharge from a firearm is man caused. A firearm can, and does thousands of times per year, protect people. A gun, can, and does thousands of times per year, make a person safer. Yes, there are inherent dangers to owning a firearm. There are inherent dangers to eating food, too. However, if you treat every weapon as if it were loaded. Never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot, and lock your weapons up when not in use they will NEVER hurt a single person on "accident". -
I always wanted something for the rattlesnakes anyway, but now that we had someone shining a flashlight in our window at 5 AM, it seems like the time. I do want proper training though and I'll follow through with that for my entire household. As Dan said though, I'll probably just go with a Ruger .22 for now so we can eat through a thousand rounds and get very comfortable. What Invid said makes total sense as well...a .22 is light with almost zero recoil and you're not going to take out a gas line in the kitchen if you fire from another area of the house.
I'm not expecting a home intruder, but you never know and I believe that you have to be prepared regardless. It was just never an option until now.cuchulainn, Puka-head and danmarino like this. -
Obviously for the range just get the cheapest ammo you can that doesn't jam your gun. lolKeyFin likes this. -
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The debate over what type of weapon is pointless. Yes, humans can kill each other in all kinds of ways, from bare hands and teeth to nuclear weapons. But weapons like the AR-15 and others in their class are designed to look and feel and create the experience of a military style weapon designed to kill large numbers quickly. It's stupid proof easy to use. Yes someone highly trained can empty a revolver just as quickly. A nineteen year old head case, not so much. Maybe tighter regulations or banning those type weapons won't make a difference. But it would be a start. Flippin do SOMETHING!!!
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As far as banning weapons, I don't know if that's the answer or not. The Bahamas ban all types of guns (except by police) and the gun violence is way down there.....yet the criminals still have firearms. So the last thing I want is a society where the thugs are armed, but I'm not. -
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I'd rather see something like a National Guard type service position. Maybe a good paying job for some of our vets. Put a trained killer on the wall at every school. Either full time or a two week tour for every NG, Army Reserve etc.
there are a little over 98,800 Public schools in America right now. That's jobs for 100,000 vets. Tax the flip outta all guns and ammo to pay for it. Or legalize it nation wide and fed tax some to pay for it. Or pay for that instead of a stupid wall, or hell, we're talking 10 million here to pay someone 75000 a year to stand watch over our children. More than we pay the teachers whom we expect to die for our kids. That's one less cruise missile or bomber, or our foreign aide to dozens of nations.
I brought the idea up with my local representative and looked at me like I was whacko. I just might get to whacko if I have to watch this ish on the news one more time. -
Metal detectors aren't going to stop this from happening unless each student is let in individually through a locked door after passing through. What's to stop them from just starting by shooting the guy operating the detector? -
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Is it worth investing in protecting the most vulnerable in our society? Can you really not see value in trying? We are averaging 100 mass shootings a year over the last three years. That's shootings with 4 or more victims. 60 per year in school. 10 million, 25 million 100 million worth stopping half of those? Because it would. Probably more like 90%. Id pay more in taxes if it stopped one kid from being murdered while he tries to figure out Algebra.
Less money than what Jarvis Landry is going to make per year to put an armed guard trained and sworn to protect our children in every school. **** it. Worried about the one vet snapping? Put three then. 50 million a year school security agency. We spend that defending Israel every day.
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Hiring armed vets to patrol our schools is an option I wish more would take seriously. Hell, I'd volunteer my time.
And it should go without saying that these vets should be vetted. And worrying about the "lone crazy vet" is akin to worrying about getting bitten by a shark. A great number of police officers are veterans and very few go crazy and use their service weapon to go on mass shootings.cuchulainn, Boik14, ToddPhin and 1 other person like this. -
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Vegas would be in the 3-5% that are not workplace or school related. That would also include domestics but that is really a separate category.aesop likes this. -
I caution against turning into a police state. -
Right now I can walk into any gun store and purchase any type of rifle they carry without a background check. The only thing I'd need is proof of age. With a simple background check (that is not very thorough), I can purchase a handgun. Some states make it a little tougher to own handguns.
What needs to happen is every state needs the same guidelines. This would stop people from going across state lines and purchasing guns when it's too difficult in their own state. Next, every person who wishes to own a gun needs to go through mandatory training. This training should be consistent across state lines and should be conducted by state trained professional instructors who have also gone through some mental health training. Current or former police officers would be great in this role. If they suspect that someone in their class has a mental health issue they refuse them the permit and refer them to a mental health professional for further testing. If they are deemed fit, they may be issued the permit. And this training has to be both written and practical. Lastly, a person who passes the class and gets the permit should have to have refresher training and subsequent background checks from time to time keep their permit active. All drivers must do this. All medical professional must do this. All people who do something that can potentially take a life, except gun owners, must do this. As a concealed weapons permit holder I must recertify every 5 years and have a repeat background check done, but if I just want a gun for my home, I don't.cuchulainn and Boik14 like this.
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