Jordy Nelson never made it to UFA. Apples to oranges.

 

probably reasonable to ask for that per year, but i wonder if we could get someone better for that kind of money

 

What Hartline is expected (assumed) to want in the open market is different than what he actually wants. I think the title is misleading since the closest the article comes to saying that is "Pending free agent Brian Hartline, a No. 2 receiver, will be looking for $5-$6 million per year on the open market if he gets there." It doesn't even pretend to have sources making the claim.

 

He can seek whatever he wants, what he is going to get is another story. I love Hartline, don't get me wrong. I believe him and Tannehill have chemistry going with one another which is important and I don't want to lose him. That being said however, he just isn't worth that kind of money. I wouldn't go higher than 4-5 million a year honestly.

 

I think 4 mil is fair, 5-6 is a little over-priced. To put how much he is asking into context, he is asking for Antwon Boldin type money. IMO he is good but has not earned that. TBH I feel 4mil is even somewhat high for him.

 

Its been speculated that roughly 6 million per would get Starks back on the team. If it's either-or, I'm taking Starks.

 

So, Hartline wants one million dollars for each of his career touchdowns? I'd rather give that $6 million to Greg Jennings, honestly.

 

At that point sign Jennings to be your #2 at 6.5-7.5 and get wallace or bowe.

 

Can he make field goals?

 

No **** you would. But Jennings isn't going for that low.

5 million is a fair price tag for Hartline. This should get done quickly.

 

I think Jennings goes for 8 and Hartline at 5.

 

I'd love that WR corps, but...

If we cut Bess ten bucks says he signs with the Pats for half of what Welker wants, produces more and screws us every time we play.

 

... and I want a new M3 at half cost.

 

Is that the next step after not making touchdowns?

 

well his agent is Rosenhaus...but I doubt we're willing to pay him that much. just let him walk, i don't want him starting anyway, too limited. it's time to bring in multiple WRs that can break tackles, juke a DB out of his cleats, get open deep on the regular, etc... sign Wallace and draft Cordarrelle Patterson, i'd even draft his teammate Justin Hunter in the 2nd.

 

Yeah, if the money is close why wouldn't you rather Jennings? Then, like you say, you could still go spend the amount set aside for a FA WR and get Wallace or Bowe.

 

And I want to be 18 years old again, it's nice to think about stuff that's NEVER going to happen.

 

Where did I say that? I said I would rather give the money to Greg Jennings. I didn't say that would be all it takes to sign Greg Jennings.

Say for example that Jennings costs $8 million* a year. I'd rather take the $6 million that Hartline's asking for and forward that onto Jennings' contract, rather than pay Jennings $8 million and Hartline his additional $6 million.

* Number is an example chosen for mathematical simplicity, not an official statement of this post's author's opinion as to how much money Greg Jennings will eventually sign for.

 

The small print should be smaller.

 

$5-6 million isn't unfair.

If he had said $7-8 million than yeah.

$4.5-5 million is a good deal.

 

nope wouldn't give it to him have seen way to many defenses make him vanish when they want to guy is not worth it hes a low tier 2 at best

 

$3.5M is a good deal. $4.0M is par. $4.5M and above is desperation for a possession receiver with 3 TDs in 3 years, especially when he can be replaced by Conner Vernon in the draft at a fraction of the cost, that is, if a heady, savvy route running, possession receiver who offers little in the redzone is what you're looking for.

 

Once again, coming from Armando, grain of salt.

But I hope that is not the case.

 

If we only get one bigger name FA like Jennings, then I'd be okay with signing Hartline for 4 million a year. anything more than that, I'd let him walk and have Jennings and Bess as my two starters, draft a WR in 3rd and go out and get Keller, then we'll be in good shape.

 

Hartline gets nothing!

 

It would probably wind up having to be enlarged in a future post due to someone not seeing or ignoring it. :lol:

 

my God people Hartline doesnt even score touchdowns so i think it should be a crime to put him in the same sentence as Wes Welker .


Hartine is a good # 4 wr but he is darn sure no #2 wr .

we need faster wrs and not just one wr but 2 or 3 wrs would not be too many considering w e are attempting to run a west coast offense.

 

Don't let it hit you in the ***

 

No thanks.

 

I'm okay with $5 million.

 

The number of TDs a wide receiver scores is meaningless.

 

Actually it's not like saying those things, because those things are predictive of winning, whereas the percentage of teams' TD passes thrown to its wide receivers is not.

Even the sheer number of TDs thrown to teams' wide receivers (let alone the percentage of them), which is something that can be more easily attributed to their QBs, is only relatively weakly predictive of winning.

 

Hartline averaged 8.46 YPA while being covered by the other team's #1 CB. Considering Tannehill only had a 6.81 YPA overall and it drops to 6.2 I would $5-$6 million is a fair contract for both sides.

Miami's problem is they don't have depth at WR or perhaps a QB experienced enough to spread it around, not that they don't have $10-$12 million WR on roster.

Not a single WR in the top 10 in receptions, yards or TDs is playing in the Super Bowl. Getting rid of Hartline and paying big bucks for that #1 diva is a big mistake imo. Which team has ever followed that blueprint and won a Super Bowl by doing it?

 

:lol:

 

Considering that the number of TD passes caught by wide receivers varies randomly from year to year, and even from one half of a season to the other, and considering that, like I said, the number and percentage of TD passes thrown to wide receivers are not strongly predictive of winning, I'd say TD receptions should be only a relatively minor consideration in determining what to pay a wide receiver.

If I were running a team, I'd let the other teams in the league make the mistake of making their wide receiver payroll be based too much on how many touchdowns they score. I'd be the smart one and base it on what the data show in terms of its importance and predictability.

 

You can't reach a conclusion with just those numbers alone. The point is that someone having 1200 yds and 1 TD is likely just an anomaly.

 

No, it's about what to pay Hartline.