http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...miami-dolphins-0914-20120913,0,4596532.column
" But there's no questioning Philbin for having the right to assemble his own team in his first months on the job. And yet he's being judged before he can put together the team he wants.
It's worse for quarterback Ryan Tannehill. When you start a rookie quarterback, you have to accept a learning curve. Few rookies come out of the tunnel as heroes like Robert Griffin III. No. 1 pick Andrew Luck threw three interceptions last Sunday, just like Tannehill.
Patience is a hard thing for a Dolphins fan anymore. It's harder still when the very people who should be preaching it are talking about making the playoffs.
Fans aren't dumb. They can see the obvious. And the obvious two truths of this season need to be said to give the new coach and the new quarterback some time to get their feet under them."
Does Hyde know Philbin probably initiated the trades for Davis, Johnson, and Marshall??
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I disagree with the article.Very few are judging Philbin or Tanny.The only one who is being judged is Jeff Ireland....a leftover from the previous losing regime.
If you want to blame someone for the empty seats its the previous regimes .Dtronic, Marco, dolfan7171 and 9 others like this. -
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Owner finds himself in a sticky situation, we can only speculate how much power Philbin will have in the Ireland decision, I would say pretty high no?dolfan7171, toto and Bpk like this. -
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Miami by 3 & one step closer to refining the process :yes: of rebuilding the team
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I don't know, I keep having questions about Miami's loss and gains. They drafted Vontae Davis for a 1st round pick and trade him for a second round draft pick and a conditional pick. they trade for Brandon Marshall for two second round draft picks and get two third round picks in return. I know both of these players have or had question marks concerning their abilities or character but a team can never rise out of the 2nd tier with that kind of logic or reasoning. I am not going to prejudge Philbin or Tannehill or question their future value to the Dolphins but I have to question if this team is really headed in the right direction under the current front office. If you weigh the net gains with the net losses the numbers just don't add up. Its not fair to Philbin or Tannehill to not be more optimistic or supportive but the hopelessness and frustration in Miami has been building for a long. long time.
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But I read it to mean the decision to draft Tannehill was made more by Philbin and not Ireland.Fin D likes this. -
Your interpretation of what he seems logical though. If Tannehill ends up being a bust I'd like to see how many would stick by that logic though....we know 100% of the blame would go to Ireland. -
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We gave up 2 2nds to have Marshall for 5 years. Chicago now gets him for only 3 years, hence it's only fair for the 2 2nds we paid for him to depreciate in value, especially at his high cost. Same goes for Vontae whom the Colts get the services of for only 2 of his original 5 years.
Side note for comparison: It should say something when no one forked up a 1st for Mike Wallace. -
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House of lies(pffft!)...2 and a half point dogs at home, 1 PM start time against the Ray-duz (double pffft!)
I must be delusional to think that we should win this game. That line has to move by Sunday... -
Another pity party article giving those few fair weather fans more ammo to complain. If RT throws 3 TD's this game will he then be given sainthood by the same press who now call for blood in the streets?
Lets just enjoy the games ... shall we.? -
MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member
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I think both Philbin and Tannehill both need time to show if they have what it takes to effective in their present jobs in the NFL. Philbin, unfortunately inherited one of the least talented rosters in the NFL. Tannehill is surrounded by offensive personnel which certainly rate near the bottom in the NFL.
I think most Dolphin fans understand that Philbin and Tannehill aren't responsible for the dearth of talent on the roster and these fans will certainly give Philbin and Tannehill the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Most fans see this lack of talent on the team as being the fault of the GM and, that is the person being held responsible for the negative attitude toward the Dolphins at this time. -
Now, of course you're going to say that we beat no good teams, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, but remember that six teams LOST to us during that time, which suggests that there were at least six teams with POORER talent. -
The next two weeks will show the direction this team is headed. The Dolphins easily defeated the Raiders last year and they beat the Jets in the last game they played against them. If the Dolphins win these next two games, I will certainly be willing to admit that they have more talent on the roster than I give them credit for at this time. If they should lose either of these games, it would certainly show that they are headed in the wrong direction.
You can believe the Dolphins have a talented roster all you want. The fact that they have been 20-29 records over the past three seasons plus one game this season, does not back you up. Of course your, "religion", is to put all the blame on Sparano and continue to praise Ireland. We shall see over the next few weeks if you are right or not. -
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When the team had inadequate quarterback play, it lost. When it had good quarterback play, it won.
That suggests the overall talent on the roster is not significantly different from that on other teams. If the team had gotten good quarterback play and done very poorly despite that, there might be a valid argument about how the rest of the roster is so bad. But that hasn't happened.
Consequently, the "Ireland has compiled an untalented roster" explanation just doesn't hold up. -
As for Vontae. I seriously do not understand the gnashing of teeth over this when its about value. (If its about leaving us thin this year, I get it, but I don't think its that big of a deal.)
If he didn't turn out that great then it was a miss. Every team misses in the first round. Every team. How often do teams turn that miss into a 2nd rd pick? -
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Ireland was the GM of the team when the decision was made to take Jake Long, instead of Matt Ryan. Instead the Dolphins took Henne in the second round of the 2008 draft. Instead of taking a QB who is now in the top dozen QB's in the NFL, Ireland was part of the decision makers who decided to take a QB, (Henne) who was a complete bust as a starter. So the fact the Dolphins didn't have a QB capable of playing well against all the teams in the NFL over the past three years, is as much the fault of Ireland as anyone else who has been a part of this organization since 2008.
I agree that the QB position is the most important position on an NFL roster. The fact that Ireland took five years to actually come to this realization certainly bothers me. I have no idea if Tannehill will end up being a quality QB or not. I certainly hope so.
Your suggestion that the Dolphins have talent which is comparable to the other teams in the NFL, just isn't true. It has comparable talent to the other bottom tier teams in the NFL, but it certainly isn't comparable to the better teams in the NFL. Last season the Dolphins easily beat the Raiders. While I think the Dolphins will win this weekend. The fact is that the Raiders played a late game on Monday night, they traveled clear across the country, and they will be playing the game minus some of their best WR's. Yet, the people who make their living setting odds in Vegas, have established the Raiders as the favorite to win the game.
The Raiders are a severely limited team in regards to talent on their roster. The fact that they come into this game as the favorite certainly shows that many people agree with me that the Dolphins are one of the least talented teams in the NFL. I have never stated they are the least talented team in the NFL. Merely that they are ONE of the least talented and as I pointed out earlier, their 20-29 record over the past three plus years, proves this. -
If you're citing something about the Dolphins that's no different from any other team, Jeff Ireland can hardly be responsible for it. It's a league-wide issue that's associated with every GM, not just Jeff Ireland. -
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The GM's who which have filled their teams with the most untalented players, are also the GM's with the teams which end up with a losing record at the end of the season. Ireland is responsible for selecting the talent for the Dolphins. The Dolphins have been a below 500 team for the last three seasons. Therefore Ireland most certainly can be held responsible for the lack of overall talent on the roster. -
Did I take a 3 year nap?
Did we win a Super Bowl? -
I think the Dolphins are untalented in the defensive secondary, the right side of the offensive line, and at the WR and TE positions. The 49ers clearly showed last year that a mediocre QB could lead his team to the playoffs, as long as the rest of the team was talented.
I certainly hope you are right and that this team is as talented as you seem to think it is. It is the coaching staff who decided to go with Tannehill as the starter, not Moore. Therefore I have to assume they feel Tannehill is the better player at this time. The fact that he is a rookie is irrelevant. If he is the best QB on the team and according to you, Moore was a good QB last season. That has to mean that the Dolphins should be a better team right now, then they were last year, when Moore was the starter. -
Certainly QB's like Brady, Rogers, Brees, and the two Mannings, make any team they play on better. These are the best QB's in the NFL. Every other team in the NFL which does not have one of these QB's on their team need a lot of very talented players on their rosters to be able to compete against the teams quarterbacked by one of these five QB's. I just don't see the talent level on the Dolphins roster at this time to compete against the better teams in the NFL.
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