If Alex Smith, why not Chad Henne?

Smith has been in the league since 2005 and has largely been considered a bust for a first overall pick. Let's be honest, he was HORRIBLE for 3 years. Henne was drafted in the 2nd round 2 years later and is considered a bust by most fans. But look at Alex Smith now. Isn't it interesting what a GOOD coach can do for a BAD QB? I see more out of Henne at the same stage in his career than ANYBODY saw in Alex Smith. Now I guarantee some of the Henne haters will say that they believed in Smith for the last 4 years, but they would be liars. Fact is, a great coach can make a great QB. I still think we should keep Henne on the cheap and get a REAL coach for the first time in YEARS. If you disagree, go back and watch the New England game this year. He made all the throws and if we had half a defense in that game, we would have won. I think it is too early to give up on him, and I promise the 49ers fans who wanted Alex Smith gone 3 years ago are glad it didn't happen.

Ok, let the hate begin! :up:

Because they're two different people with two entirely different skill sets and potential?

It took Alex Smith 7 years and some of the best coaching available to become merely serviceable. Chad Henne will have neither.

If Alex Smith, why not Matt Moore?

"Desides wrote:

Because they're two different people with two entirely different skill sets and potential?

It took Alex Smith 7 years and some of the best coaching available to become merely serviceable. Chad Henne will have neither.

Nobody ever mentioned Smith's potential before. In fact he lost his job to SHAUN HILL. That's the bottom of the barrel. Harbaugh is the difference. His specialty is working developing QBs. We need a coach like that. Alex Smith is living proof to not give up on a QB early. I hope we keep Henne and Moore and let them battle for a REAL coach who actually knows about the QB position.

Because Dolphin fans are too impatient for development. They want instant Marino. If they don't get it they whine and throw temper tantrums.
That is why the next young QB will be ruined here too.

"Killerphins wrote:

Because Dolphin fans are too impatient for development. They want instant Marino. If they don't get it they whine and throw temper tantrums.
That is why the next young QB will be ruined here too.

Amen sir!!! That's what I was looking for!!

"jsizzle wrote:

Nobody ever mentioned Smith's potential before. In fact he lost his job to SHAUN HILL. That's the bottom of the barrel. Harbaugh is the difference. His specialty is working developing QBs. We need a coach like that. Alex Smith is living proof to not give up on a QB early. I hope we keep Henne and Moore and let them battle for a REAL coach who actually knows about the QB position.

You know with Ireland still the GM, it is still... relevant...

and it would not surprise me if Henne was signed again to compete with Moore...

ohhh the masses "would cry havock and let lose the dogs of war"....

"Desides wrote:

Because they're two different people with two entirely different skill sets and potential?

It took Alex Smith 7 years and some of the best coaching available to become merely serviceable. Chad Henne will have neither.

LOL...

Des you just decided that we could probably wait another few years to finaly find a coach that can teach Henne how to become a better QB...

brilliant... I am all in on the Henne bandwaggon...whose with me???

"Disnardo wrote:

You know with Ireland still the GM, it is still... relevant...

and it would not surprise me if Henne was signed again to compete with Moore...

ohhh the masses "would cry havock and let lose the dogs of war"....

Absolutely true. I can see Ireland resigning him just to prove it was a good draft pick. I hope he does. The m'asses don't know that much about football, so let them cry, and eat cake!

"jsizzle wrote:

Nobody ever mentioned Smith's potential before. In fact he lost his job to SHAUN HILL.

Two fallacies here.

1. Smith's potential. People spent years talking about Smith's potential, and how it was being squandered by continual coaching changes. It was only last year that the chorus began to die down and talk began of how the 49ers should move on. Alex Smith has had a lot of supporters for a long time.

2. Shaun Hill as a scrub. He actually isn't. Smith lost his job to Hill because Hill was legitimately capable, at the time more capable than Smith. Part of that was coaching, but part of that is because Hill was underrated by then-head coach Mike Nolan. Nolan has since said that he regrets not switching to Hill sooner. Hill went on to fill in admirably in Detroit, and is still a very underrated QB to this day. I would love to have him on the Dolphins, and I suspect if we had somehow signed Shaun Hill instead of Matt Moore, the group cheerleading Matt Moore would now be cheerleading Shaun Hill.

Alex Smith is living proof to not give up on a QB early.

No one's giving up on Henne early. He's turned in four years of work in which he never, not once, improved. He's posted roughly a 75 passer rating throughout his career, with only minor fluctuations from season to season: 74.0 in 2008, 75.2 in 2009, 75.4 in 2010, 79.0 in 2011. There is no discernible growth or improvement that indicates Henne has untapped potential. In fact, over the same span of starting time—2009 through 2011—Alex Smith has been demonstrably better than Chad Henne. Smith's passer ratings over the same span of time: 2009, 81.5; 2010, 82.1; 2011, 90.7.

The entire basis for your comparison and the assumptions that form its underpinnings are false.

"Disnardo wrote:

LOL...

Des you just decided that we could probably wait another few years to finaly find a coach that can teach Henne how to become a better QB...

brilliant... I am all in on the Henne bandwaggon...whose with me???

I am on the Henne bandwagon as long as he is a Fin.

Have you been blind the last few years, this is Chad throw an INT and cost us a win every game Henne. In reference to the New England he threw for 416 with 2 td's and 1 int. One game does not justify having him playing for us next year, let alone compared to Smith. Moore ran circles around him and will win the starting job if they are the only option we have going into pre-season. God I hope Henne is not with us next year (doing the Tebow prayer)! You need to change the beer you are drinking which is causing you to think Henne is good, lol!!! Henne is an epic failure as a starting QB!

"Desides wrote:

Two fallacies here.

1. Smith's potential. People spent years talking about Smith's potential, and how it was being squandered by continual coaching changes. It was only last year that the chorus began to die down and talk began of how the 49ers should move on. Alex Smith has had a lot of supporters for a long time.

2. Shaun Hill as a scrub. He actually isn't. Smith lost his job to Hill because Hill was legitimately capable, at the time more capable than Smith. Part of that was coaching, but part of that is because Hill was underrated by then-head coach Mike Nolan. Nolan has since said that he regrets not switching to Hill sooner. Hill went on to fill in admirably in Detroit, and is still a very underrated QB to this day. I would love to have him on the Dolphins, and I suspect if we had somehow signed Shaun Hill instead of Matt Moore, the group cheerleading Matt Moore would now be cheerleading Shaun Hill.

No one's giving up on Henne early. He's turned in four years of work in which he never, not once, improved. He's posted a 75 passer rating throughout his career, with only minor fluctuations from season to season: 74.0 in 2008, 75.2 in 2009, 75.4 in 2010, 79.0 in 2011. There is no discernible growth or improvement that indicates Henne has untapped potential. In fact, over the same span of starting time—2009 through 2011—Alex Smith has been demonstrably better than Chad Henne. Smith's passer ratings over the same span of time: 2009, 81.5; 2010, 82.1; 2011, 90.7.

The entire basis for your comparison and the assumptions that form its underpinnings are false.

Henne's rating is higher than Alex Smith's. Just sayin'.

"jsizzle wrote:

Henne's rating is higher than Alex Smith's. Just sayin'.

Henne's career rating is a shade higher, yes. This is because Smith posted a 40.8 passer rating in his rookie season and a 57.2 rating in his third year. This is why it becomes relevant to compare their performance over the same span of time, to avoid the erroneous conclusion you just posted.

Smith just pulled a Henne.

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"phinfan13 wrote:

Have you been blind the last few years, this is Chad throw an INT and cost us a win every game Henne. In reference to the New England he threw for 416 with 2 td's and 1 int. One game does not justify having him playing for us next year, let alone compared to Smith. Moore ran circles around him and will win the starting job if they are the only option we have going into pre-season. God I hope Henne is not with us next year (doing the Tebow prayer)! You need to change the beer you are drinking which is causing you to think Henne is good, lol!!! Henne is an epic failure as a starting QB!

I hate to use logic on you, I know you will struggle. Henne only played 4 games and finished 3 this year. In all 3 games he finished, the DEFENSE crapped the bed. I know you are a blind hater, but try to use common sense. We had a short offseason, the defense was HORRIBLE early in the year, and Matt Moore beat NOBODY good. And please don't tell me the Jets are good. We need a legit competition at QB and Henne was showing improvement with little to no help from the rest of the team. Remember, if Marshall catches 2 EASY TDs, we win vs Cleveland and Houston. But, haters will hate. So hate away.

PS, I don't drink and you should stop.

"jsizzle wrote:

I hate to use logic on you, I know you will struggle. Henne only played 4 games and finished 3 this year. In all 3 games he finished, the DEFENSE crapped the bed. I know you are a blind hater, but try to use common sense. We had a short offseason, the defense was HORRIBLE early in the year, and Matt Moore beat NOBODY good. And please don't tell me the Jets are good. We need a legit competition at QB and Henne was showing improvement with little to no help from the rest of the team. Remember, if Marshall catches 2 EASY TDs, we win vs Cleveland and Houston. But, haters will hate. So hate away.

PS, I don't drink and you should stop.

Go back and look what he did for us the last few years...not the games he played for us this year. I will use logic on you. Yes we had a short offseason, I will give you that. What about the previous years when he had all the time in the world to pre-pare!!

"jsizzle wrote:

I hate to use logic on you, I know you will struggle. Henne only played 4 games and finished 3 this year. In all 3 games he finished, the DEFENSE crapped the bed. I know you are a blind hater, but try to use common sense. We had a short offseason, the defense was HORRIBLE early in the year, and Matt Moore beat NOBODY good. And please don't tell me the Jets are good. We need a legit competition at QB and Henne was showing improvement with little to no help from the rest of the team. Remember, if Marshall catches 2 EASY TDs, we win vs Cleveland and Houston. But, haters will hate. So hate away.

PS, I don't drink and you should stop.

Come on man everyone knows it was Hennes fault on those passes that Marshall dropped and Henne also should have been playing defense......
Stop making sense.

There was so much support for Dan Henning here when in actuality He and Tony did a lot of damage to Henne. You can't throw a young QB under the bus to the media and expect positive results in the long run. No one seemed to care that he was starting to improve with Daboll. They only feed off the fanbase and their impatient hatred for any form of development.
Those same knuckledraggers bitched and screamed for Orton.

Never believed in Henne ,never believed in Smith. and STILL dont

"RGF wrote:

Never believed in Henne ,never believed in Smith. and STILL dont

Alex Smith is one half away from the NFC title game. Believe it or not!

(Am I Ripley now?)

"Killerphins wrote:

Come on man everyone knows it was Hennes fault on those passes that Marshall dropped and Henne also should have been playing defense......
Stop making sense.

There was so much support for Dan Henning here when in actuality He and Tony did a lot of damage to Henne. You can't throw a young QB under the bus to the media and expect positive results in the long run. No one seemed to care that he was starting to improve with Daboll. They only feed off the fanbase and their impatient hatred for any form of development.
Those same knuckledraggers bitched and screamed for Orton.

And everyone knows that Henning never had a problem with Rondey Peete or Jake Delhomme.

The real problem with this scenario is resigning Henne "on the cheap." Of course, that would be ideal from the team's perspective. But why would Henne sign a meager contract with the Dolphins so that he can stay in a place where the fans are-- to be kind-- divided on him and where he'll have to compete simply to win his old job back? One would think that he'd sign just about anywhere else instead, assuming they'd also be willing to give him an inexpensive contract. I just don't see Henne wanting to come back now. If he's going to ride the bench for the time being, I think he'd rather do it someplace else and get a fresh start.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

And everyone knows that Henning never had a problem with Rondey Peete or Jake Delhomme.

Henning's system gets ran out of town after 3 years or so everywhere he goes.
The old bastards offense is a dinosaur.

I have to ask. Is Dan Henning your grandpa or something? You love that guy and defend him at all costs.

"Adam Strange wrote:

The real problem with this scenario is resigning Henne "on the cheap." Of course, that would be ideal from the team's perspective. But why would Henne sign a meager contract with the Dolphins so that he can stay in a place where the fans are-- to be kind-- divided on him and where he'll have to compete simply to win his old job back? One would think that he'd sign just about anywhere else instead, assuming they'd also be willing to give him an inexpensive contract. I just don't see Henne wanting to come back now. If he's going to ride the bench for the time being, I think he'd rather do it someplace else and get a fresh start.

It's true. Henne will run like hell away from the disaster. Even if those ****ing idiots Lee and Henning are gone.
I would get away from this idiotic fan base too if I were him.

I for one want Henne back either way....someone to compete for a starting job and push the rest of the QB's. He looked pretty damn good to me early this season and would prob be a cheap signing