Thats one of the reasons why I didnt think we would end up with 11 players for 11 draft picks.We already have a lot of players who have the potential to challenge for starting positions .We are past the stage of needing bodies .Those draft picks were used to move up to get better quality players.
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Lane Johnson may be a fine player, ditto Star L, but neither can do what Jordan showed he can do at Oregon.
Added the Jelani Jenkins quote b/c I feel he's the steal of our draft, he's road blocked atm by Ellerbe and Wheeler, but if either goes down with an injury he would be a natural replacement, once again those movement skills are what modern NFL defenses are all about.djphinfan likes this. -
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Well, to me the theme of this draft is flexibility, Jenkins, Jordan, Davis, Thomas, Sims, can all do multiple things
I happened to hear that interview yesterday and Ireland said "..you can't be a one hole player unless you are a starter..".
Other thing is, Ellerbe has not been able to stay healthy so depth will be important this year, it may be the only thing that keeps Koa Misi on the roster tbh. -
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For me, the draft is such a gamble to begin with I'd not risk landing the player I felt I had to have to play "draft lotto"? -
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I'd expect him to say nothing less. I cant wait for the minicamp reports to see how things start shaking out.
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As for the #42, the way I see it most teams draft boards are similar, as in there are few surprises when giving draft grades, so look 5 before #42 and 5 behind it:
#35 Zach Ertz
#36 Darius Slay
#38 Te'o
#39 Geno Smith
#40 Tank C
#41 Robert Woods
#42 Menelik Watson
#43 Jonathon Banks
#44 Kawann Short
#45 Kevin Minter
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Secondly, had we stayed at 12 and grabbed Star, maybe we grab Watson at 42. Or we grab Banks and go a different player at 54 than Taylor or Davis at 93. Or grab Alonso and go different than Jenkins in the 104.
I want to stress though, Jordan is a monster and I'm confident he'll be a great player.Drowning likes this. -
You can never look back on a draft and project what we could of had. Because he would of been totally different.ATLFINFAN likes this. -
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I'm merely pointing out that Star vs. Jordan isn't necessarily the right way to frame the discussion, because our draft could have been significantly different had we stayed put.
Also, FTR, for the same reasons you give about the follies of guessing what might have happened, its equally incorrect for you to guarantee TB would have traded up for Banks.Drowning and Nappy Roots like this. -
I understand what your saying and I see both sides. I was big proponent of Star at 12. Or Jones. I would of went nuts had we been at 12 and both were on the board.Fin D likes this. -
You think he is not worth the 3rd overall value? Or you just don't think Jordan is going to have a big enough impact to warrant giving up another top 50 pick? I am still torn about this as well. But the more I look at it, the more I think that Dion's impact will be so much larger as far as plays made. If we can resign one of those 2 inside tackles, we will be OK inside. We aren't going to be able to find an impact guy like Dion. That is obviously projecting his talents to be fulfilled as well though. Lets hope he lives up to the potential. If he does, I don't see anyone looking back on this draft and questioning that trade up. Unless Jones, Banks or Watson turns out to be stars in the league. Which is possible. -
Clay, Charles
Clemons, Chris
Davis, Will
Denney, John
Devlin, Pat
Ellerbe, Dannell
Fields, Brandon
Garner, Nate
Gibson, Brandon
Gillislee, Mike
Grimes, Brent
Hartline, Brian
Incognito, Richie
Jenkins, Jelani
Jerry, John
Jones, Don
Jones, Reshad
Jordan, Dion
Kaddu, Josh
Keller, Dustin
Lane, Jorvorskie
Louis, Lance
Marshall, Richard
Martin, Jonathan
Martin, Vaughn
Matthews, Rishard
Miller, Lamar
Misi, Koa
Moore, Matt
Odrick, Jared
Pouncey, Mike
Randall, Kheeston
Samuda, Josh
Shelby, Derrick
Sims, Dion
Soliai, Paul
Spitler, Austin
Stanford, R.J.
Starks, Randy
Sturgis, Caleb
Tannehill, Ryan
Taylor, Jamar
Thigpen, Marcus
Thomas, Dallas
Thomas, Daniel
Trusnik, Jason
Vernon, Olivier
Wake, Cameron
Wallace, Mike
Wheeler, Philip
Wilson, Jimmy
Yeatman, Will
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pass rush of Wake + Jordan
DTs of Starks + Soliai
RT = (hopefully) Eric Winston
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Every WR except Wallace and Hartline.
Every RB except Miller, Thigpen, and maybe Jonas Gray.
All backup OL and at least one starter (Jerry).
All non-starting CBs and one of either Marshall or Patterson; probably Patterson.
Misi. Carpenter. Denney. Clemons! Clay.
All third stringers like Kyle Miller, Jason Trusnick, Chas Alecxih, etc.
And Egnew would have until halftime of the first preseason game to prove that he shouldn't be bagging my groceries at Publix.
If you define depth as "lots of players at a given position", then yes, we're deep, but so is every other team in the NFL right now. But if you define depth as "lots of quality players at a given position", then suddenly this team is in the kiddy pool as far as I'm concerned. -
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Example: I'd get rid of Misi because I find him inadequate as a starter, but if he were a backup, I'd probably keep him. I would then consider him depth, meaning a quality non-starter. However, I would not consider, say, Gary Guyton depth, because Guyton is awful no matter what slot on the chart he occupies. Likewise, Cameron Worrell was once considered a good depth player.
When I say depth, I mean the presence of acceptable NFL level talent behind a superior player. When you say depth, you must mean something else.
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So you would cut our pro bowl long snapper, Brandon Gibson(solid 3rd option), Richard Matthews(nice potential), Will Yeatman(potential and depth), Lance Louis(huh? the bears best O-lineman before he was hurt last year. Young kid), John Jerry(If he were to show up at 400 pounds I could understand), Josh Samuda(young kid with potential), Misi(despite just saying he is good depth), Clemons(despite us not having a replacement, and even if we did, depth?), Clay(Clay is the definition of depth!!!!!!!!! But yet you would keep Egnew despite Clay actually flashing on an NFL football field during games?)
I just don't understand your thinking one bit. Your far smarter then what you've posted in this thread, I know that. Who do you sign to replace those guys then? Or are we just running into next season with a 40 man roster. -
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Brandon Gibson is being compared to Tedd Ginn?
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This is not a zero sum game.
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I see a common theme here with some guys. Such as Matthews, Weatman, Samuda, and Clay. You refuse young players...Do you not like potential at all? Depth also includes guys with ability and ability moving forward.
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