Just thought i'd try to get some insight on how our offense will operate next season and if ya'll think our current OC is the right man to utilize our people best. I think Henning has done a nice job getting our best players on the field and getting the ball in their hands,,, ie.. wildcat.
Will he run some more 4 receiver sets? still go with a lot of 2 TE formations? Will the wildcat still be an important piece? What about Pat White's role,,,, traded? I know a lot still depends on the draft and possible veteran pick-ups but its really intriguing and i know there are some knowledgeable folks on the forum with some interesting ideas. i am really excited by the Marshal pick-up and think we can really be explosive with the right game plan. What do ya'll think???
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I just don't know. If I'm being completely honest with everyone, I'm still not over the Ricky Williams pass in Buffalo. I like a lot of what Henning has done for our offense. But the fact that he could suffer such an epic brainfart in such an important game for our playoff chances worries me.
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Dan Henning is a good OC, we've just got alot of people who like to ***** and backseat coordinator without considering the reality of the offense last year. For every bit of shrieking about how they got too cute or something like that there was multiple "cute" plays that were successful no one said **** about or was positive over.
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As for White, I'm not too sure. This regime has been quick to eradicate themselves of mistakes, however a 2nd round pick, after only one year is pretty tough to give up on. Where does he fit ?? I'm not sure. I didn't follow him too much in college, and he certainly didn't show jack last year with us....good, bad or indifferent. What do we really have to base any decision on with White ?? We don't...they may have more to go on with how he practices to improve, how he meshes with the team, etc, but what do we really know about White other than he didn't show much to us last season...Themole likes this. -
thanks guys, i think henning can do a great job here, and has done an excellent job so far. disgust,,,, i did not know henning was one of the 2 TE formation innovators, really hope we can pick up a TE that can threaten the seam and do some things vertically, maybe kory sperry is already that guy.
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It was moreso Ricky throwing the ball than it was the call...Ronnie had showed he could do it...when was the last time Ricky had thrown a pass?. Of course, from the two it was a questionable call, completed or not.
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Henning should have some more options this season with Marshall in the lineup, especially with Cobbs coming out of the backfield and hopefully Fasano or his replacement cured of the dropsies (Remember how effective Martin was).
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Marshall provides Henning a new weapon and a way to open up and spread the defense. I don't think you will have as many DBs playing as close to the line of scrimage as they have been, especially if Ginn finally gets it.
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He's gonna have to put forward his best efforts in order to screw this one up.
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I hate not having 5 WR's active on gameday. When we do run a 5 WR set usually its Fasano, Haynos (or Polite) out there with Cam, Hartline, Bess (or Ginn).. And the screen pass, dont even get me started. Now that we have Marshall we are going to need to feed him. I'm sure our offense will look some what different this year. We need to spread the field. I'm fine with running a 2 TE set if we are running and calling Play action out of it but the fact that Haynos is far from a threat makes the 2 TE set worth less (not worthless).
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And if it works, it's not brilliant. We just don't realize how stupid it was because it worked in spite of itself. You can try all you want to justify it, but there's simply no defense for calling a half back pass when you're gaining 5 yards a carry, have the ball first and goal, and are running against a patchwork front 7. -
There's absolutely NO problem with the call in just about any situation. It's hit or miss, and you're going to miss sometimes. We played 60 minutes of football that day, and to say we lost because of that call is stupid. There were a lot of other calls made correctly that game, but you're never going to be perfect. You take chances, and sometimes you succeed....but other times you fail.Two Tacos likes this. -
A perfect example of a good place to try it was the New England game. Over 10 yards out. Completing the pass gives you a likely score, while running it is unlikely to get you into the end zone.
As to your other point. Were you at the game? Because I was. The fans were deflated and completely out of the game up until that interception. When the interception happened the stadium roared to life. The Bills had the fan support back and fed off of it. We score 7 there, we win the game, IMHO.miamiron likes this. -
The fans were deflated when we played the Patriots at home (I was at that game) completely out of it. We still came back and won, and while it was great to be there, us getting into the game had nothing to do with it. Don't over estimate your importance as a fan.
It's a better place than in the open field to try it because the defense is more likely to crash down on the run. You have no clue what gave the better chance, because it never happened. You can say -if- we scored, yet at the same time there is absolutely NO guarantee that we would have regardless. Except possibly a field goal.
Back to the point of players making plays. The play call didn't make Williams throw an interception. He has to know he has the option to tuck and run or throw the ball away. If he doesn't, that is on HIM and him alone. Not the call itself.
There is nothing "dangerous" about a HB Pass. It's much less dangerous (IMO) than let's say a reverse. The halfback just needs to know his options.MrClean likes this. -
That play calling for RW to pass was the very definition of "getting too cute"...... it was just uncalled for at the time. An obvious poor decision.
I'm not so sure Henning is an elite play caller but we could deff do a lot worse.
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Hey.. were passing the ball down the field awesomely.. Let put in Pat White, cease all momentum, and tell Henne to make up the lost yardage on 2nd and 16 that Pat lost for us. Yeah baby!Killerphins and MonstBlitz like this. -
Ill keep this short. No.
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Goal line is typically where these things are called, because of how hard a team has to react to the run in short yardage there. Ricky Williams was the one who made the poor decision to throw it instead of throwing it away or running. -
Further, if the Bills are so hellbent on stopping the run, that would make them more likely to cheat against it to get burned for the throw. -
Cam Cameron called a pass that didn't work in '07, and there was a huge fallout. Cam Cameron is an idiot, moron, etc., what kind of jackass calls that, etc. and so on.
In the meantime, Dan Henning calls how many runningback passes between then and the Ricky Williams interception? Virtually all of them are in the exact circumstances you describe- In the Red zone or otherwise in short yardage, with the team driving down the field primary due to the running game. That's when a halfback pass is generally called. It's overwhelmingly when we've done it, it's when the rest of the league does it. You need the threat of the run to draw the defenders up, and short yardage helps that.
No one said **** about any of those situations. It's backseat coordinating of the worst order.Two Tacos likes this. -
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Henning does it once in a while and it drives me nuts
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When you're in short yardage situations against a weak run defense, running the ball is always going to be the higher percentage play and carries less risk. Especially with a running back who hasn't thrown the ball like a Ronnie Brown or Ladanian Tomlinson has over his career.
And don't forget we had the ball 1st and goal. If it were 3rd and goal and we had been stuffed twice already, maybe, just maybe I could see your point.
When you throw a halfback pass on the goal line you are not only risking a turnover, but you are risking/sacrificing points that are almost guaranteed, and IMHO, you NEVER do that as an offensive coordinator.Killerphins likes this. -
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Well, on a serious note what has my attention is Henning's focus on running the ball, BMarsh was the target in Denver, which to me means BM won't see the 150 targets a year he saw in Denver (ballpark number), can BM deal with lesser stats?
Would Henning flip the script and throw the ball more as a strategy?
I think he could, but in Carolina it was pretty much what we have seen in Miami, pound the ball, hit Steve Smith deep.adamprez2003 likes this. -
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Don't think Henning deserves to be tarred and feathered just yet... The guy tried to get the most out of what he had, sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't but it's not neccesarily his fault. The old saying you can't polish a turd comes to mind. He can only do so much with the players we had. Also having Henne switch to a whole new system after he is just getting accustomed to Hennings system would be a step back in his development. It's just counter productive to switch OC at this point. Not to mention I really don't think their is anyone significantly better to replace him with right now.
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I think our offense is probably better off with Henning than without him at this point. But mark my words: There will be at least one AWFUL play call next season that will have this entire board up in arms. Let's just hope it doesn't cost us a game.
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Henning is also the kind of OC who adapts well, his play calling and formations, to the talent he has to work with. The Skins back then ran 3 wide consistently and guys like Jay Schroeder and Doug Williams were mad bombers as passers. Hammer the D with the Counter Trey, then go deep to one of "The Posse."padre31 likes this. -
Henne..or Henning?
Senior moment compadre?
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Re the WRs, as I recall, Monk was the #1 the X. He was the go to guy, move the chains type, though certainly not limited to that. Sanders especially, and Clark were the burners who pressed the D deep. I know what you are thinking, ;), BM could be our Monk and Ginn could be like our Sanders. :thumbup:padre31 likes this. -
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I'd say without cross referencing because I feel lazy at the moment, but 592 pass attempts is a high number for a 16 game season. Yes?
IMO, in Carolina, Fox may have reined him in a little. Then again, while Steve Smith is a great player, their overall weaponry on offense didn't match Henning's Skins offenses IMO.
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