And well, I guess this explains a lot. An excerpt from their game breakdown from yesterday.
The AFC is a terrible conference historically, eh? So of the....two....it sucks? Fins roster filled with average players? The guy was just destroying Tannehill in an earlier excerpt too. Absolutely no respect. At least they admit their bias, but it will be difficult for me to take them seriously. The Fins beat New England in a huge game and actually dropped in their system. I've given up on understanding it.
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Honestly my reaction to the media, especially after this year has been, meh. It just makes winning that much more sweet. I hope they keep undervaluing and telling these guys that they can't win.
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They are right, we are very consistent in being slightly above average. That is a good thing and a bad thing. The record and scoring support that. That's the truth.
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That's funny, I've got the same lukewarm reaction to Football Outsiders as they do to the Dolphins. They're good for a couple stats you can't find elsewhere, but I'd rather pay PFF than get what FO offers for free to be honest.
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Talented team for sure but depth and player development is a question mark imo
Elite: Wake, Pouncey, Grimes, Fields
Good: Tannehill, Wallace, Hartline, Clay, Odrick, Clemons, Patterson, OV/Shelby, Soliai/Starks, Matthews, Sturgis
Average: Carroll, Wheeler, Ellerbe, Misi, Miller/Thomas, entire O-Line sans Pouncey, Jones this year, Sims, Thigpen and Jordan
Below-Average: Davis, Taylor, Gillislee, Moore, Egnew, Trusnik, Spitler, Freeny
What we're missing is a difference-maker(s). Teams like the Saints, Eagles, Broncos, Panthers, etc. have difference makers (Graham/Jordan, Jackson/McCoy, DThomas/JThomas, Kuechly/Olsen). Wake is our only difference maker imo but is having sort of a down year.Aquafin likes this. -
it makes me laugh by now that our depth gets questioned all the time but with games on the line backups come in and we don't miss a ****ing beat, i don't even know why this bull**** had to have a thread, we are 8-6 and some could argue we could be sitting pretty at 10-4 right now, this is not average, its a good football team
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That article had some ESPN worthy statements. As if a receivers notoriety should have a bearing on how consistently he should do something. Guys in the NFL have labored in obscurity for years and unless they get a lucky push, they'll never get a big name.
Before London Fletcher became famous for not being famous, nobody cared he was leading the league in tackles for almost a decade.
The biggest thing we've learned about the NFL is that if you get an elite to very good QB, deficiencies get masked. How many teams around the league are loaded at every position? The Patriots, for example, are one Tom Brady away from being a really bad team.
At this point, barring a trade for Josh Gordon or some other player(s) of that caliber, the way we become that good/great team is dependent on Tannehill's development.
I just think the analysis was shallow, a bit ESPNy, and needlessly biting in some areas.Wyvern_Bob, MikeHoncho, bakedmatt and 7 others like this. -
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Now maybe these playmakers need to become more consistent at making plays, but I think that will come with time. Its the reason we have 8 wins already with two very winnable games left -
We have 10 win talent.Tin Indian and Unlucky 13 like this. -
The offense played last week and won the last couple games without the original starting TE (Keller), slot receiver (Gibson), LT (Martin), and LG (Cogs).77FinFan likes this. -
That is the definition of taking an unexpected run and completely overvaluing the players on the team. This team doesn't have the difference makers on the field to consistently win 10 games, and despite what some want to think, teams do play over their heads. If Miami had played KC's schedule, they probably already have 10 wins. It doesn't mean they have 10 win talent.bakedmatt likes this. -
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Damn man...open your eyes! You're missing a great show. He has progressed far and away over last year, and has the potential upside to be elite, no doubt. How many QBs in this league get sacked 51+ times and still put up the numbers he has, don't get rattled, hoist the team on their shoulders in direct spite of the horrid offensive line play, and win in a convincing way in clutch situations, coming back late against favored teams?
If that's below average, I'll take below average across the board.mbsinmisc, Wyvern_Bob and Unlucky 13 like this. -
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They already can beat the top teams in the league. Colts, Bengals,Patriots this year. Young team looking to get better next year. Making the playoffs would be a big step in that direction.
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As good as Ryan has been, he's still not playing at the near MVP level that Chad Pennington played at in 2008. Chad played at a level that was able to mask the talent deficiency that 2008 team had, and due to a soft schedule, that team won 11 games. Now, some on here will tell you that means the team had 11 win talent. It didn't. That year was clearly an outlier in the statistical trend. The Dolphins, since 2004, have gone 4-12, 9-7, 6-10, 1-15, 11-5, 7-9, 7-9, 6-10, and 7-9. On average, this team has averaged 6.4 wins over the past 9 years, not including this year. Without the two outliers (11-5 and 1-15), the team has averaged 6.5 wins a year. It is pretty clear that the correlation with these lean years has been personnel, in that the team has been stringing together poor personnel decisions, whether it is coming via the draft or free agency.unifiedtheory likes this. -
As long as Ryan Tannehill keeps progressing at this rate, we're going to be a good team for a long time. We aren't stacked at every other position, but we have plenty of other talent to help win games. -
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To me, the only terrible loss we had this year was against Buffalo, even if it was a 2 point game, and that was a different Miami team than we're seeing now...we have an opportunity to erase that loss this weekend. You could argue Tampa, but that team is better than it's record, it has just made a few bonehead plays at the worst possible time to really do in their season, and they were all kindsa fired up for that game...another early season letdown. Losing to Baltimore was very disappointing, but that's the defending SB champs, and while they lost several starters this off-season, they WILLINGLY lost them...think about that for a minute. -
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Who cares what someone thinks? Who cares about power rankings? All that matters is Miami wins.
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Buffalo, Tampa Bay and Carolina were all bad losses. Those 3 bad losses cost us the bye week. Those bad losses make this team an 8-6 team, and just slightly better than average.
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Ryan has masked a lot of the deficiencies this team has this year, but not to the extent that Chad did in '08. This team is only slightly more talented overall than that 2008 team, which is an indictment of the GM since he has been here since 2008. -
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In order to match the rushing success that Miami had in 2008, Lamar Miller would have to rush for a little under 300 yards in these last two games along with 4 touchdowns per game. Thomas would also have to rush for 130 a game. Overall for 2013 Miami to finish similar to 2008 Miami in rushing, they would have to run for around 550 yards and 8 touchdowns in these last two games.
Not to mention if Pennington was the QB for this team, he would have been snapped in half by week 3.MikeHoncho and MAFishFan like this.
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