I don't think were taking a guard at 12. I'm guessing Warmack is gone by the time we pick a team like the Titans or Chargers will take him.

I hope our targets include Jordan, Milliner, Floyd, Star, Richardson, Patterson.

 

Move back. Accrue picks. Select Cooper.

 

That's one bad *** mother grabber, would prefer he wouldn't say stupid things like that but.

 

He needs to get bigger. He struggles anchoring.

 

Depending on what we do in FA, I'm coming around to the idea of taking one of the two guards. I'd still prefer a pass rusher, corner, or WR, and don't think Ireland would spend another valuable resource on the interior of the O line, but I'm starting to see the benefits as long as the Dolphins fill their biggest needs by draft day.

 

Im sorry but as much as I like Cooper (at 300 lbs, mind you) I'm not a fan of his at 12. Taking Warmack at 12? That's fine. He's got all pro for 8 years/hall of fame potential at the guard spot. That's fine value, even though nearly a top 10 pick for a GUARD is somewhat nuts.

But taking a guy like Cooper? Whose not Warmack? I'm sorry but I have trouble with that.

 

The difference between the two, especially the scheme that we run, isn't great. Cooper's a hell of a player.

 

Problem with Cooper is that even though he has decent lower body strength, he's so weak in the upper body. Frankly, he's a tad overrated, with some considering him for the Top 10. I think he has quality in him but not that much. Yeah, he moves well but what's going to happen when a 4 technique sits over him and he has to base block? He needs to hit the weight room hard.

 

Warmack and Cooper are both future pro-bowl guards but I don't think I could stomach a guard at 12. I have a feeling we are going OLINE at 12 and I don't like it....

 

I think there's a pretty good chance Cooper would be more valuable to other teams in the draft than the Dolphins. You need athletic linemen to run outside zones all day, but I think the teams that might find him most valuable are the ones who want a left guard you can expect to hit pulling plays around the right end. Those guys I think are a bit harder to find than guys athletic enough for outside zones, and I wonder if someone won't jump on Cooper the same kind of way the Dolphins jumped on Justin Smiley immediately for the same reasons in 2008. If the Dolphins won't likely do that kind of stuff as much as other teams, and if they wanted to do it they've got Mike Pouncey.

 

You're exactly right, and I keep doing that. I view the two from a vacuum, and I see Warmack as the clear cut better guard, but you're exactly right. Cooper is so strong in the zone blocking (and second level movement) that he'd almost be as successful on this team as Warmack.

That simply lowers Warmack's value for me, not increasing Cooper's. I have a few guards I like in the 2nd/3rd so I'd prefer they wait for that. Then again I'm pretty much locked into the Patterson bandwagon at this point.

 

I wouldn't consider either player at 12 overall. I don't see how that would benefit a championship team to use that kind of asset on that kind of player.

 

I'd argue that the Dolphins want to do less man blocking than they did in 2012, and they ended up doing it more often because they were unhappy with Reggie Bush's performance at the end of the year.

 

I think there was a shift about midway through the season having to do with the selection of run plays.

 

What's funny about this is Cooper is blowing away the other linemen at the combine in the bench press thus far. 35 reps vs Fisher's 27 and Fluker's 21.

 

Doesn't play it.

 

How is this guy even considered a 1st round prospect? he had problems in pass pro all year and gets off 21 reps? Heck, Martin who everyone knows was weak did 20 reps

 

I'm not a big workout warrior type of guy but if you suck during the regular season and you suck at the combine… well that is not good! lol

I think someone is going to draft Flucker fairly high and they are going to be very disappointed.